Australian pilots can work for US regionals.

[Climb150]

Originally Posted by BlunderBus

The days of low pay and harsh conditions are over. We just hired a non typed copilot full benefits and USD $180k per year on a falcon part 91 flying.
That’s $270,000 AUD plus 12% 401k plan and full medical/dental. 3 weeks annual leave.
The 135 operators are lowering requirements and fast upgrade. Pay 150-250k depending on type.
i don’t see any OZ non legacy airline jobs matching that.
Vista incidentally offers benefits plus 180-200k USD starting pay.

On an E3 you will not work for Vista USA if you are hired. You will fly for Redwing or maybe XO jet. Much less prestigious and not even close to 180k USD for an FO.

[DropYourSocks]

F9 proposed rates

Here's a snapshot of the proposed contract rates at F9. They're in line with the rest of industry, so I don't see them not getting it. From 2025, that puts a second year FO at ~USD$187k plus 401k etc. They're still taking E3s too. Not to mention what a narrowbody captain is worth on this side of the pond.

[havoste]

Originally Posted by DropYourSocks

Here's a snapshot of the proposed contract rates at F9. They're in line with the rest of industry, so I don't see them not getting it. From 2025, that puts a second year FO at ~USD$187k plus 401k etc. They're still taking E3s too. Not to mention what a narrowbody captain is worth on this side of the pond.

Those are just ALPA proposed rates, basically a copy paste of legacy narrowbody rates.
Unfortunately with Biffle and management as they are now there is practically zero chance Frontier pilots gets those payscales and a low chance they even get a new contract in the near future. There is now an unlimited supply of 1500hr CFIs to stem attrition as regionals are not hiring FOs.

Although they are still probably the best option for Aussie E3s at the moment since Spirit isn't hiring.

[DropYourSocks]

US 2023 Salary Survey

There's a good spread of data on what's currently achievable at various airlines in various seats. Might be a good comparison for those in the homeland with contract negotiations ahead of them.

https://www.airlinepilotforums.com/m...ry-survey.html

[anonfly]

Originally Posted by DropYourSocks

There's a good spread of data on what's currently achievable at various airlines in various seats. Might be a good comparison for those in the homeland with contract negotiations ahead of them.

https://www.airlinepilotforums.com/m...ry-survey.html

We are squabbling over the crumbs they can be bothered to leave us.
That makes for bittersweet reading. thanks for posting

[DUXNUTZ]

Originally Posted by anonfly

We are squabbling over the crumbs they can be bothered to leave us.
That makes for bittersweet reading. thanks for posting

Anyone got Qantas numbers?

[cxflog]

Originally Posted by DropYourSocks

There's a good spread of data on what's currently achievable at various airlines in various seats. Might be a good comparison for those in the homeland with contract negotiations ahead of them.

https://www.airlinepilotforums.com/m...ry-survey.html

This yearly thread is always fascinating to read, but it’s good to remember the numbers are posted on an anonymous forum and not in any way verified so take them with a pinch of salt. The ones to really look out for are the NK, Atlas and F9 compensation numbers as that’s the (likely) most Aussies can be earning stateside without a greencard.

[DropYourSocks]

Originally Posted by cxflog

This yearly thread is always fascinating to read, but it’s good to remember the numbers are posted on an anonymous forum and not in any way verified so take them with a pinch of salt. The ones to really look out for are the NK, Atlas and F9 compensation numbers as that’s the (likely) most Aussies can be earning stateside without a greencard.

Couldn't agree more. The only thing I'd add, is that Spirit+JB and Frontier are likely to get close to legacy rates for their types as their contracts come up in the near future. It wouldn't be outside the realm of possibilities for Aussies at those carriers to start making close to what their legacy counterparts are posting.

Obviously there are the outliers too, but it's generally easy to see who the max effort hustlers are, and who's more representative of what's broadly achievable.

[bafanguy]

Well, this job posting didn't last long. Any idea what happened ?

https://www.aviationcv.com/job/austr...ydney-or-perth

[cxflog]

Originally Posted by bafanguy

Well, this job posting didn't last long. Any idea what happened ?

https://www.aviationcv.com/job/austr...ydney-or-perth

Not surprised, they’re an awful outfit to work for. Have a few ex-Cx mates who went there and all left within 10 months.

[bafanguy]

Originally Posted by cxflog

Not surprised, they’re an awful outfit to work for. Have a few ex-Cx mates who went there and all left within 10 months.

Well, at least there's some entertainment value in seeing them have to turn to the expat market to fill seats.

Appears to be some unrest in the bizjet world here. As an example:


"Around 40% of pilots at private jet firm NetJets want to leave within the next year after new contract negotiations broke down. Over 275 pilots have already exited the company this year after it failed to raise pay and benefits."

https://simpleflying.com/netjets-40-...-pilots-leave/

[Capt Under Pants]

Originally Posted by cxflog

Not surprised, they’re an awful outfit to work for. Have a few ex-Cx mates who went there and all left within 10 months.

Friends who were there said management issues, lots of operational issues and they keep moving the goal posts on you after you join and then throw a bond at people when they arrive which surprised a few who didn't know.

Why do you think they have to come here to Oz to recruit, because in their back yard their reputation is terrible. Just some of many forums on these people:

​​​​​​https://www.airlinepilotforums.com/p...g-aero-16.html

[DropYourSocks]

Allegiant E3s

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Not sure of the details, but more options for Aussie pilots is always a good thing.

[VH-RME]

Allegiant have taken visas for quite a while I believe - interestingly they have mostly targeted Chileans on the H1B1 (functionally similar to an E3) as opposed to E3 Australians, unlike most other visa sponsoring carriers

[DeltaT]

H-1B has rather large experience requirements!

[Climb150]

Originally Posted by DeltaT

H-1B has rather large experience requirements!

H1B1 and H-1B are not he same.

[bafanguy]

Just an idle thought: Are there any Aussies on an E3 who are still hanging on at a US regional ?

I'd be curious to hear how they're doing.

The hiring pattern seems to have changed a bit at regionals and they seem to be more interested in captain material than new F/Os.

Without revealing any more about yourself than necessary, are any of you who came during the great "pilot shortage" still working at a US regional (or similar carrier) ?

Have you been able to parlay your E3 status into something more permanent/desirable/ lucrative further up the airline food chain ?

[umop apisdn]

Originally Posted by bafanguy

Just an idle thought: Are there any Aussies on an E3 who are still hanging on at a US regional ?

I'd be curious to hear how they're doing.

The hiring pattern seems to have changed a bit at regionals and they seem to be more interested in captain material than new F/Os.

Without revealing any more about yourself than necessary, are any of you who came during the great "pilot shortage" still working at a US regional (or similar carrier) ?

Have you been able to parlay your E3 status into something more permanent/desirable/ lucrative further up the airline food chain ?

One of my mates had a qf class, so was hanging on to regional CA making 30-40 a month with premium and lca stuff before going back.

The eye watering money is pretty good reason to hang around at the moment especially if they're not planning to be here long term

[SilverSleuth]

So can I ask, in a general sense (in this anonymous forum world) what people think is the best expat airline(s) for Aussies atm considering the primaries of - days off/work/pay. Just curious ….. 🤨
17 days work straight and only 2 weeks leave a year doesn’t sound great to me……..

[umop apisdn]

Originally Posted by SilverSleuth

So can I ask, in a general sense (in this anonymous forum world) what people think is the best expat airline(s) for Aussies atm considering the primaries of - days off/work/pay. Just curious ….. 🤨
17 days work straight and only 2 weeks leave a year doesn’t sound great to me……..

It's kind of a moving target. I would have said Spirit a few months ago.. it can all change quickly. It's also relative to the kind of person you are and what you're looking for. 17 and 2 sounds brutal for sure but for the supposed 500 Aussies at Atlas it clearly appeals to a lot.