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Old 7th Feb 2024, 03:09
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Evidently, Kalitta is hiring E3’s again. It’s guaranteed 14 days off, which I don’t think is contractual anywhere else? A new contract is due in the next few months. This could bump Kalitta up the desirability ladder for Australians. Loss of LAX-SYD flying to SQ is problematic, however, once new aircraft arrive for DHL, the route could resume. This is dependent upon having enough trained pilots I guess?

If the USA is your first jet, I’d recommend going somewhere to practice your new skills. Wide-bodies are sating for many an ego. But not for the proficiency in your new skill-set.

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Old 7th Feb 2024, 07:57
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So can I ask, in a general sense (in this anonymous forum world) what people think is the best expat airline(s) for Aussies atm considering the primaries of - days off/work/pay. Just curious ….. 🤨
17 days work straight and only 2 weeks leave a year doesn’t sound great to me……..
It certainly sounds terrible at face value.

I am yet to work a full 17 in a row bar during OE when I was getting smashed to consolidate in time.

2 weeks vacation, plus a few award days plus your off days, if you’re smart. Can get a month in a row off twice a year. Even in peak Australian periods that Americans don’t care about: post Christmas summer school holidays and Easter.

Agree Spirit is/used to be the best. I think the merger getting shot down may change things a bit.

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Old 8th Feb 2024, 05:24
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Evidently, Kalitta is hiring E3’s again.
I heard they'd paused E3's due to Australians being, you know, Australians.
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Old 11th Feb 2024, 17:15
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I see that Allegiant still has a job post soliciting Aussies (also pilots from Chile and Singapore). But it requires an FAA ATP and doesn't appear to be taking people without FAA tickets. IIUC, this is a change ? At some point didn't they take Aussies with only CASA tickets ? The scuttlebutt is Allegiant is having a hard time recruiting so I'm surprised if they are hard and fast about the FAA ticket thing. Anyone with recent Allegiant contact/experience ?

https://jobs.lever.co/allegiantair/1...8-4457d07fdbad

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Old 11th Feb 2024, 19:31
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Originally Posted by bafanguy
I see that Allegiant still has a job post soliciting Aussies (also pilots from Chile and Singapore). But it requires an FAA ATP and doesn't appear to be taking people without FAA tickets. IIUC, this is a change ? At some point didn't they take Aussies with only CASA tickets ? The scuttlebutt is Allegiant is having a hard time recruiting so I'm surprised if they are hard and fast about the FAA ticket thing. Anyone with recent Allegiant contact/experience ?

https://jobs.lever.co/allegiantair/1...8-4457d07fdbad
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•Current FAA Verification Letter of Foreign License and Medical Certification

Nothing has changed. It listed all the different options. But as long as you meet the hour requirements to gain an FAA ATPL conversion you are eligible.
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Old 21st Feb 2024, 19:41
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Just had this from Allegiant, only a week after they asked for a verification report and I payed CASA $50 for said report.

Due to changes in the airline industry and our business needs, we will no longer be offering H1B1 or E-3 visas to incoming First Officers.”
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Old 21st Feb 2024, 22:29
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Originally Posted by soyelpiloto
Just had this from Allegiant, only a week after they asked for a verification report and I payed CASA $50 for said report.

Due to changes in the airline industry and our business needs, we will no longer be offering H1B1 or E-3 visas to incoming First Officers.”

Well, that's a pretty clear statement.
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Old 21st Feb 2024, 23:13
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Originally Posted by bafanguy
Well, that's a pretty clear statement.
Signs of a US hiring slowdown apparent. FedEx pilots told to go work for regionals, 200 UPS pilots given VR, Delta cutting recruitment in half.
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Old 22nd Feb 2024, 00:00
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Not all carriers are slowing down their hiring. I’d say the the US is in a robust position. Can’t imagine the joy I’d have had the two times I lost my job at career airlines, being told like the FedEx F/O’s to go take a regional DEC position, with a 150K USD sign in bonus. Just for one minute grasp that as an Australian pilot!

Not sure why Delta’s slowing up? The did do this last year as they needed all training pilots to fly the line in a booming summer. Relatively speaking, the US is still on fire recruiment wise. Now we have shortages appearing in Asia.
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Old 22nd Feb 2024, 01:42
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Originally Posted by Gnadenburg
Not all carriers are slowing down their hiring. I’d say the the US is in a robust position. Can’t imagine the joy I’d have had the two times I lost my job at career airlines, being told like the FedEx F/O’s to go take a regional DEC position, with a 150K USD sign in bonus. Just for one minute grasp that as an Australian pilot!

Not sure why Delta’s slowing up? The did do this last year as they needed all training pilots to fly the line in a booming summer. Relatively speaking, the US is still on fire recruiment wise. Now we have shortages appearing in Asia.
Majors are still hiring it appears, at a reduced rate without question. What is dead and buried is the E3 program basically everywhere. Sadly the ship has sailed on that one. Hope the current Aussies on Visas don't get shafted, certainly not a comfortable place to be knowing you are essentially expendable every time your Visa is up for renewal.
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Old 22nd Feb 2024, 02:23
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Originally Posted by LostWanderer
Majors are still hiring it appears, at a reduced rate without question. What is dead and buried is the E3 program basically everywhere. Sadly the ship has sailed on that one. Hope the current Aussies on Visas don't get shafted, certainly not a comfortable place to be knowing you are essentially expendable every time your Visa is up for renewal.
Definitely does feel like the ship has sailed on the US for new aspiring E3s without an existing FAA ATP.

Fortunately no signs of any airlines shafting their current E3s. For example, Spirit's earliest batches of E3s are going through the renewal process now, despite the company's financial position and hiring status.
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Old 22nd Feb 2024, 08:52
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Atlas, National and Kalitta are still doing E3’s?

If there’s a whiff of non-E3 renewals there will be an exodus out of some of the carriers that may actually need Australian pilots. Well, need them to the extent of not losing them all at once! These carriers would also know that as soon as the industry turns again, US pilots will leave for the Tier 1 jobs.

Nothing would surprise me these days. If you’re determined and resilient enough to take your career Stateside, you will have the durability to pick up your career and take it elsewhere if shafted. I’ve seen many do it and success is often rapid. Enjoy your amazing journey!



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Old 22nd Feb 2024, 16:17
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National is now only taking guys with an FAA ATP.

I reckon it is a great investment for Aussies on their leave to go get their FAA ATP. I know guys who had their FAA ATP done 20 years ago on a light twin, and who walked in to jobs in the US post Covid.

Whilst I would never say never, I don't see non renewals of the e3 happening. National has just taken on 3 more 747s and upgraded a bunch of E3 guys over the last 12 months.

DECs for a 747 don't grow on trees.



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Old 22nd Feb 2024, 16:19
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Signs of a US hiring slowdown apparent. FedEx pilots told to go work for regionals, 200 UPS pilots given VR, Delta cutting recruitment in half.
FedEx is going through some pretty toxic contract negotiations at the moment. Their management is telling the pilots (especially the senior ones) go to PSA, get your crazy sign on bonuses and retire with a healthy contribution to their already very healthy pension (which I've been told anecdotally that a few have done just that). It's just a tool to absolve themselves from paying out severances, short of furloughs - all the while FedEx is still experiencing considerable profits.

Delta is cutting recruitment in half - to only 1000 pilots a year. This is primarily because they have reached the other side of their retirement wave. United and American have shown no sign of slowing down as their respective retirement waves haven't even peaked yet. Each are planning to hire 2500 pilots a year for the foreseeable future with American facing the greater amount of forecast retirements. Each still have strong orders on the books for expansion.

Boeing quality assurance and Airbus (through Pratt and Whitney engine) issues may slow hiring a smidge but it's hardly diabolical.

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Old 22nd Feb 2024, 17:04
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If US carriers start shedding their E3s, the news will spread with the speed of light. Probably see it here first.
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Old 22nd Feb 2024, 20:16
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Just for some perspective, how would National fare if all its Aussies had to leave? The Israelis and Ukrainians wouldn’t be happy! The other cargo carriers have attrition levels Australians are not familiar with. And you still need pilots to upgrade quickly within a training institution, struggling to train for expansion and attrition.

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Old 25th Feb 2024, 04:37
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Just so we’re clear, there is no cancelling/not renewing of E3 visas.
You cannot subvert the contract for the sake of getting rid of people via other means. Seniority still rules.
You must be treated as if you were a citizen/green card holder/any other employee. If a company tried to use the renewal of an E3 visa against you, they’d immediately be subject to unfair dismissal (or whatever its equivalent in USA land is called) without question. It is very clear in the E3 paperwork you sign with homeland security or whomever sends it, it is a lot of legalese in there but it’s all very important. You are not a sub set, lower tier of worker, you are not a temporary gap fix, a casual worker to deal with the ebbs and flows, you are not a migrant popping in. You are full time annd typically paying union dues. Aside from your ability to permanently reside in the country you are identical to everyone else on the list. That is it.
Feel free to message me if you wanna know more of how it actually works, I’m living it right now.

Just stop with this bs “E3’s mightn’t be renewed” mania. This isn’t Australia with their temporary workers rights or 457 visas which can be revoked willy nilly.
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Old 25th Feb 2024, 10:18
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But if the Qantas guys like dr dre stop coming in here to tell us about how stuffed we all are by flying over in America how will they feel better about their job turning to ****?
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Old 25th Feb 2024, 12:20
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Originally Posted by ZebraFlyer
Just so we’re clear, there is no cancelling/not renewing of E3 visas.


Just stop with this bs “E3’s mightn’t be renewed” mania. This isn’t Australia with their temporary workers rights or 457 visas which can be revoked willy nilly.
ZFlyer,

I don't know enough about the nuts and bolts of visa issues to assert or dispute how they're handled. But doesn't the decision to renew any visa rest with the federal government in addition to an employer (both have to agree) ? Is it possible the government could refuse to renew even if an employer wanted to ?
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Old 25th Feb 2024, 21:57
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Originally Posted by bafanguy
ZFlyer,

I don't know enough about the nuts and bolts of visa issues to assert or dispute how they're handled. But doesn't the decision to renew any visa rest with the federal government in addition to an employer (both have to agree) ? Is it possible the government could refuse to renew even if an employer wanted to ?
The E3 Visa is a reciprocal visa agreement between the Australian & United States governments (called the Skilled Work Visa in Australia).For E3’s to be considered at risk, it would require either government to walk back their commitment. There is the very real possibility of this happening, but I believe the political risk/fallout of alienating a close ally would make such a move inconceivable.

“IF” it did happen, I doubt our visas would be ripped up and we’d be deported. More likely, E3 visas would not be renewed upon expiry meaning you’d have time to look for a new job.

In regards to termination by the employer, in short: they can, but they can’t. We’re employed under the same contract as local employees and have the same benefits and protections. If the company systematically started refusing to renew E3 visas, it wouldn’t happen without a fight.

Yes, there is risk to accepting a job that requires a visa. But working in aviation is inherent with risk. I genuinely believe that my job is more secure than any job being offered by any of the Australian carriers.

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