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how many regional airports in NZL have any security ?
(regional as in no international flights & no jets of B737/A320 size or bigger)
What is the cut off point in NZL ? (cf. 20,000kg MTOW here ?)
(regional as in no international flights & no jets of B737/A320 size or bigger)
What is the cut off point in NZL ? (cf. 20,000kg MTOW here ?)
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New Zealand conducted a risk based assessment
and decided on 90 seats and over. Australia did the same and decided on 20 tonnes. I think the Kiwis got it right with regard to not screwing their entire industry over. 
Ohhh come on Tiddy, thats not really in the festive spirit now is it, who would want to actually know what they are talking about when it comes to Jetgo.
Given all the other BS in this tread by the armchair experts I reckon Jetgo should start Taupo to Queenstown backpacker express 6 times a day given that the NZ govt apparently share the costs of screening.
That Taupo arrival is pretty tricky you know bro, like watch out for the big friggin hill to the north of the field hey, and then there are those meat bombs all bloody day, jeeezzz gonna have to be careful.
Maybe that explains why they cancelled Roma, yeah that must be it. I know its true, Santa told me today when I was sitting next to him with my Christmas list, I asked for a 5% annual pay rise with my Jetstar EBA, and he told me Lyle Strambi was leaving to become the new leader of Jetgo and OJA was not going to HARS but it was being donated to Jetgo to start Tamworth. But not to worry, Truss and the rest of the pollies will have it all fixed by the time AJ announces the gazillion dollar profit and more redundancies next year. Its true and remember its all Jetgo's fault for starting a whole 2 return services a day!
Given all the other BS in this tread by the armchair experts I reckon Jetgo should start Taupo to Queenstown backpacker express 6 times a day given that the NZ govt apparently share the costs of screening.
That Taupo arrival is pretty tricky you know bro, like watch out for the big friggin hill to the north of the field hey, and then there are those meat bombs all bloody day, jeeezzz gonna have to be careful.
Maybe that explains why they cancelled Roma, yeah that must be it. I know its true, Santa told me today when I was sitting next to him with my Christmas list, I asked for a 5% annual pay rise with my Jetstar EBA, and he told me Lyle Strambi was leaving to become the new leader of Jetgo and OJA was not going to HARS but it was being donated to Jetgo to start Tamworth. But not to worry, Truss and the rest of the pollies will have it all fixed by the time AJ announces the gazillion dollar profit and more redundancies next year. Its true and remember its all Jetgo's fault for starting a whole 2 return services a day!
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Just look at the fundamentals here:
An aircraft designed for 600nm sectors now to operate 250 nm RPT sectors with a base of support linked to mining in NSW. It doesn't pass a basic common sense test.
You have to accept, if BN-NAA and BN-TW made sense right now, REX, QF or VA would more than likely be doing it. They're not, and especially not with JET aircraft.
I don't think these guys really have a plan for serious RPT. I don't think they themselves could articulate what is their core strategy for an expanding network.
It is hard to work out why they're stumbling. The aircraft runs rings around the turbo-prop competition but they're not making that point of difference work for them.
Why?
No head of sales and marketing! No single-minded, immovable determination to be the number one RPT operator in Australia? Under capitaised? Simply not business minded people?
Maybe a mix of all these things but the opportunity is slipping away. I would bet beyond a doubt there is no significant budget for sales and marketing!
Get a driven sales and marketing team with an adequate budget and you'd watch this business boom for sure.
- 2 years of mining/ general charter work with a quite a sound choice of airframe.
- Decision to launch into RPT
- Roma - abolished because mining stopped/ slowdown
- Launch of a new service in the USA
An aircraft designed for 600nm sectors now to operate 250 nm RPT sectors with a base of support linked to mining in NSW. It doesn't pass a basic common sense test.
You have to accept, if BN-NAA and BN-TW made sense right now, REX, QF or VA would more than likely be doing it. They're not, and especially not with JET aircraft.
I don't think these guys really have a plan for serious RPT. I don't think they themselves could articulate what is their core strategy for an expanding network.
It is hard to work out why they're stumbling. The aircraft runs rings around the turbo-prop competition but they're not making that point of difference work for them.
Why?
No head of sales and marketing! No single-minded, immovable determination to be the number one RPT operator in Australia? Under capitaised? Simply not business minded people?
Maybe a mix of all these things but the opportunity is slipping away. I would bet beyond a doubt there is no significant budget for sales and marketing!
Get a driven sales and marketing team with an adequate budget and you'd watch this business boom for sure.
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justa dash, luck is what got VA in the early days to where it is today definitely not good management. So same can work for Jetgo
Please
On second thought - Nulli Secundus has hit the nail on the head
Looks like Nulli is looking for a slot in the marketing department, but will not get it because he just doesn't get it. There is WAY more going on behind the scenes that will make all these Great Commentators feel rather sheepish in the new year.
Nulli Secundus - doesn't that mean that Nobody came First, and he ran second?
Baaaa.
Nulli Secundus - doesn't that mean that Nobody came First, and he ran second?
Baaaa.
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Baaaa.
Isn't that the sound a sheep makes? You know, that funny little animal often seen with the wool over its eyes as it blindly follows the others around the paddock.
And did you know the rarest breed is the Ascend Charlie Merino. That's right, a breed which the vet science world is struggling to understand as to why, whenever a Kiwi farmer enters the paddocks, turns a full 180 degrees, presents its arse to the farmer, and, here's the real mystery, appears to smile passing through about the 90 degree mark.
Isn't that the sound a sheep makes? You know, that funny little animal often seen with the wool over its eyes as it blindly follows the others around the paddock.
And did you know the rarest breed is the Ascend Charlie Merino. That's right, a breed which the vet science world is struggling to understand as to why, whenever a Kiwi farmer enters the paddocks, turns a full 180 degrees, presents its arse to the farmer, and, here's the real mystery, appears to smile passing through about the 90 degree mark.
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The choice of aircraft (20tonne) may bite badly
If the rumoured expansion into Brisbane by Rex goes ahead. Armidale to Brisbane will bleed pax from Tamworth if they are cheaper and more frequent. Word is JG now playing the man in Tamworth to get fees reduced below cost.
drive to ARM to catch a SAAB?
Mightymouse,
The experience of NBR is that people will drive to TMW to catch the Dash rather than catch a "small plane".
I suspect people would drive to TMW from ARM to catch a jet, rather than the other way around.
Amazing that nobody was really interested for years, but now that we are heading into an El Nino and the end of the mining boom we have Pelican, JetGo, Free spirit and others launching into the fray.
Interesting times
The experience of NBR is that people will drive to TMW to catch the Dash rather than catch a "small plane".
I suspect people would drive to TMW from ARM to catch a jet, rather than the other way around.
Amazing that nobody was really interested for years, but now that we are heading into an El Nino and the end of the mining boom we have Pelican, JetGo, Free spirit and others launching into the fray.
Interesting times
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I'm not sure there would be a reliable catchment of 'Armidalians' driving to TW. Anyone needing a connecting flight ex BN, more than likely, but if BN is the end of journey - very less likely.
Would you drive 1.5 hrs south to fly north when you could simply drive 5 hrs north and have wheels in BN. If you have business in BN, ARM via TW time savings equal just two hours.
But worst of all and most odd, Jetgo are only offering 3 returns a week for the first two months? Just enough time for QF, Rex et al to get their systems and hardware in place. These guys will be vacating this route almost as quickly as they started.
Bear in mind the TW Music Festival is a huge lost opportunity. A planned start date gets put back to 2 Feb. 50,000 visitors over 10 days. Say just 10% are ex BN. Say just 10% of them would consider flying. Thre's 500 pax or roughly 3% of the annual pax needed to make a dollar on this sector. After two years of planning RPT and you get that wrong, anywhere else you will have lost your job!
Meanwhile, logical opportunities are taking lower priority or getting none at all. The cost to set up a route must be substantial and if not likely to make money virtually from day one, why do it? Once capital is gone, its game over. Once a day of work is gone, you can never get it back.
At $189 one way as an introductory fare, it will not be difficult for the other operators to price these guys out of the market! Even Christmas eve TW-SY can be booked for $138 on QF. Non peak times and QF offers $85 one way in early Feb. $189 is not a special fare.
Wouldn't you offer $99 specials, fill the plane get the word out there and maybe make a go of it. For mine, I think the emotion of possibly returning to old territory to revitalise a former life may be clouding good business judgement.
I think these guys are holding out in the hope mining will fill their RPT routes (somewhere) and simply need a fill in to keep the show looking operational.
For everyone's sake, launch stand alone RPT, on routes the aircraft was designed for,on sector's where you'll have no/ little immediate competition (ala GLA) and treat FIFO as a bonus not a focus.
Would you drive 1.5 hrs south to fly north when you could simply drive 5 hrs north and have wheels in BN. If you have business in BN, ARM via TW time savings equal just two hours.
But worst of all and most odd, Jetgo are only offering 3 returns a week for the first two months? Just enough time for QF, Rex et al to get their systems and hardware in place. These guys will be vacating this route almost as quickly as they started.
Bear in mind the TW Music Festival is a huge lost opportunity. A planned start date gets put back to 2 Feb. 50,000 visitors over 10 days. Say just 10% are ex BN. Say just 10% of them would consider flying. Thre's 500 pax or roughly 3% of the annual pax needed to make a dollar on this sector. After two years of planning RPT and you get that wrong, anywhere else you will have lost your job!
Meanwhile, logical opportunities are taking lower priority or getting none at all. The cost to set up a route must be substantial and if not likely to make money virtually from day one, why do it? Once capital is gone, its game over. Once a day of work is gone, you can never get it back.
At $189 one way as an introductory fare, it will not be difficult for the other operators to price these guys out of the market! Even Christmas eve TW-SY can be booked for $138 on QF. Non peak times and QF offers $85 one way in early Feb. $189 is not a special fare.
Wouldn't you offer $99 specials, fill the plane get the word out there and maybe make a go of it. For mine, I think the emotion of possibly returning to old territory to revitalise a former life may be clouding good business judgement.
I think these guys are holding out in the hope mining will fill their RPT routes (somewhere) and simply need a fill in to keep the show looking operational.
For everyone's sake, launch stand alone RPT, on routes the aircraft was designed for,on sector's where you'll have no/ little immediate competition (ala GLA) and treat FIFO as a bonus not a focus.