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300 Qantas pilots to get the chop ???

Old 16th Jul 2014, 11:53
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'sfunny, 2 group airlines with supposedly the same attitude to safety arrives at 2 completely different sets of requirements and limitations
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Old 16th Jul 2014, 11:59
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No point trying to educate these fools,
The only person who is a fool my friend - is you! I am a proud Qantas pilot and you are an embarrassment to the airline and the profession.

How someone like you got through the Qantas selection process, clearly shows there is vast room for improvement.
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Old 16th Jul 2014, 12:04
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It depends whether you work in marketing or accounts
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Old 16th Jul 2014, 12:11
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to a greater or lesser extent mr caution it has always been thus. its the modern businessman that is slowly perfecting it

there was nothing new about buchanan. if anything he was a throwback. he was right about one thing. anyone can fly. i am living proof.
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Old 16th Jul 2014, 12:36
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A proud Qantas pilot eh ?
Yeh, you take that with you and put it on your resume for the future.
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Old 16th Jul 2014, 13:02
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So I guess the fools at Jetstar, Virgin, Tiger, cobham, network etc are all inferior to the Qantas pilots?

None of them (including Qantas) require a HSC. They all require MORE hours than Qantas for direct entry cadetships aside.

What a stupid pissing contest.

Qantas pilots do the easiest flying, have the most support and the longest turns to correct any mistakes. The other pilots doing 25 min turns, more sectors, class G etc must be pretty piss poor!

As for Jetstar command training being quicker, of course! Most guys already were captains and just warmed the right seat for a few years. The Qantas guys were mostly cadets or came into the company with very basic experience. Generally their first multi crew command was at Qantas.

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Old 16th Jul 2014, 13:32
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ain't it funny how Aussie pissing comps always swing in favour of the underdog and appear to hack away at the stem of the perceived tall poppy...

No one in this debate is doing themselves a favour.

Back to the story: VR & RIN all over?

Thread. Closed? For now?

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Old 16th Jul 2014, 13:38
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No, it's not funny at all!

In fact it's disgraceful, but all too predictable here in "the lucky country"!
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Old 16th Jul 2014, 13:45
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Absolutely disgraceful!
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Old 16th Jul 2014, 15:30
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Again, looking from outside Aus what a lot of nastiness amongst fellow pilots.
I've never understood it. Having worked for airlines in the US and Europe I was shocked to witness such divisive vitriol when I came home.

Something to do with the Australian psyche and the microscopic size of our industry perhaps?

The lack of professional cohesion and petty infighting is a management industrial wet dream...

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Old 16th Jul 2014, 15:32
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"Sorry , I am confused ... when did this become a pi$$ing contest ..."

About 100 years ago. There just wasnt anyone to P!$$ on until the last decade.

"Command Training program at Qantas takes over six months."

Most airlines can take an experienced 20 year pilot and train them up to command in much less than 6 months. You guys have a lot of noddy's in the training department who would be better placed teaching orbital dynamics than airline piloting.
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Old 16th Jul 2014, 16:13
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Why is a six month Command Course a good thing, are QF F/O's standards so poor? During my time in BA if command on Type, 4 sims total, 2 practice 1 for IR 1 for Route Check. Min 10 sectors route training, done. (If required more sim /route training could be given, usually not required)
If not on type, TR Course, up to 20 sectors route training. 3 months if no delays.

PS We used to hear with some amazement at the time, that the Cathay Command Course was six months. Lots of Aussie training management there too, so that explains it!!

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Old 16th Jul 2014, 21:46
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Cessnapete.

AnQrKa's statement sums it up. Until there is change in senior training management, things wont change.

Hence my statement, the training department was asked if subsidiaries are an equivalent standard. Why are the QF courses scheduled over a longer period of time.

It has nothing to do with the quality of the candidate & everything to do with legacy ideals.

QF like to "check" people to within an inch of their life.
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Old 16th Jul 2014, 22:16
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I would put it to you that the relatively small number of antagonistic posters on PPRuNe (who are often only here for just that reason) are not representative of A, NZ & P readers and writers, who in turn are a small percentage of the total number of pilots plying their trade from an Australian base.

Not surprisingly, many Australian pilots have Parents, Brothers, sisters, other relatives, mates and even husbands, wives and partners who are employed by a business competitor to their own employer. My observations are a general professional respect amongst Australian pilots, no matter who's uniform they're wearing.

Our respect of our own and our competitor's management and their business practices can, however, be less than cordial.

Yes, there' some banter and sometimes outright vitriol here on PPRuNe, but that is not reflective of the pilot group as a whole in my opinion.

Enjoy what you do, no matter the challenges. I'm certainly gunna be trying.
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Old 16th Jul 2014, 23:16
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So let me get this straight… some lurker picks up half conversations from a couple of J* pilots having a private conversation down at the pub, allegedly making disparaging remarks about Qantas pilots. And rather than growing a pair and confronting them, he sees fit to run to the nearest computer and get on a public internet forum and start bagging out all Jetstar pilots. Others then jump in, and in the space of a few short posts we have in summary:

Jetstar pilots-

Have a LCC culture and mentality – which apparently means they will never successfully work in a QF uniform (funny, given a vast number of them came from Q link or mainline).

Have a different (lower) recruitment standard.

Have a lower psych test standard.

Fly non sanctions procedures.

Undergo substantially less command training.

I could go on – especially if I visit other pages.

When you boil down all this vitriol; all that is really being said is that Jetstar pilots are of a lesser / worse / inferior standard when compared to a Qantas pilot.

No worries. Thanks for your underwhelming opinion of us, and you wonder why Jetstar pilots find it hard to empathise with you given the crap position you now find yourself in. Incidentally, I rarely see any Jetstar pilot cast such a negative assessment of a Qantas (or virgin / tiger / skywest / alliance / Cobham / Qlink / rex) pilots’ standard or professional ability.


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Old 17th Jul 2014, 00:00
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Qantas (or virgin / tiger / skywest / alliance / Cobham / Qlink / rex) pilots’ standard or professional ability.
Because the JQ ranks are filled from such companies (except VA,TT) and know themselves to which the high standard they operate.

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Old 17th Jul 2014, 00:51
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Stating the fact that jetstar has lower entry requirements/ less stringent checking or training programs does not imply that the pilots are of a lower standard. It is merely a fact about the organisation. Chip...shoulder
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Old 17th Jul 2014, 01:11
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Incidentally, I rarely see any Jetstar pilot cast such a negative assessment of a Qantas (or virgin / tiger / skywest / alliance / Cobham / Qlink / rex) pilots’ standard or professional ability.
Incidentally, I rarely see any Qantas pilot cast such a negative assessment of a Jetstar (or virgin / tiger / skywest / alliance / Cobham / Qlink / rex) pilots’ standard or professional ability............except here on PPRuNe and occasionally on Qrewroom from a minority of the total Qantas pilot group.

.........I guess that is what I was implying a couple of posts ago.
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Old 17th Jul 2014, 12:23
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JQ 37 SYD-Bali July 18.........63 spare seats
JQ 37 SYD-Bali July 19 .........99 spare seats.
JQ 37 SYD-Bali July 20 .........122 spare seats
Should I continue ?
Yes, you could start with the return sectors.

JQ38 DPS-SYD July 18………14 spare seats
JQ38 DPS-SYD July 19………11 spare seats
JQ38 DPS-SYD July 18………10 spare seats

Not sure who the Idiot is?
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Old 17th Jul 2014, 13:37
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Don't know either but that still ain't "chokka okka"
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