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MERGED: Alan's still not happy......

Old 7th May 2014, 02:22
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Yes it's SYD-DFW-SYD.

Additional A380 available when QF9 is re-timed in July.

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Old 7th May 2014, 05:38
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It to start in September six days a week.
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Old 7th May 2014, 05:41
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Adjustments will be made to the mix of A380s and B747s flying on the Sydney to Hong Kong route in order to facilitate the upgrade to Dallas services.
What is the plan here. A380 to continue to HK? Or will the change of fleet mix mean the A380 is no longer in it?


Sydney-Dallas-Sydney. No more Brisbane.

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Old 7th May 2014, 06:17
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It seems as though both MEL and SYD customers get a win out of this

The QF9 out of MEL has been retimed to arrive into Dubai at 7am to provide excellent connections into Europe from 20th July

SYD customers can now return direct from Dallas with 1st class now provided on this route

No mention of A330's
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Old 7th May 2014, 06:23
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SYD-DXB-SYD on A380 (missing from above)
Qantas customers to experience world-class A380 services to Dallas/Fort Worth
Adds 10% to number of seats and First cabins

QF9/10 A380 retimings
QF9 MEL-DXB 2255-0705+1. Arrive LHR 1340.
QF10 LHR-DXB 1330-2325. Arrive MEL 2055+1.

Provides a lot more EK connections in DXB than the current timing - only 4 connections in under 4 hours... Now you get the whole of the morning cycle.
Customers travelling from Melbourne to Europe will have access to 17 round-trip connections within four hours of landing, compared with 4 under the current timings. Round trip connections for Melbourne customers are:
Athens Hamburg Prague
Copenhagen Milan Rome
Dusseldorf Moscow St Petersburg
Frankfurt Munich Venice
Geneva Nice Vienna
Paris Zurich
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Old 7th May 2014, 06:44
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Rumour mill running hot today. 767 and 747 Captains to be offered VR package of one years pay.
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Old 7th May 2014, 08:00
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Rumour mill running hot today. 767 and 747 Captains to be offered VR package of one years pay.
They're kidding aren't they?
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Old 7th May 2014, 08:08
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Ek change Dallas from the 777 to the 380 on 1st Oct. Wonder if this is a coincidence?

The don.
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Old 7th May 2014, 08:41
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Rumour mill running hot today. 767 and 747 Captains to be offered VR package of one years pay.
Well, what do they want? I believe the execs severance pay is capped at twelve months. So too are all administrative staff. Why should the pilots be any different? Oh! I keep on overlooking the fact that they live in a parallel universe.
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Old 7th May 2014, 08:43
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So cabin crew and engineers who get more than one year are in the same parallel universe I assume?
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Old 7th May 2014, 08:51
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I will tell you what you are overlooking KB, the workplace determination. You know the document that came after AJ grounded the airline 15.10 and its sub clauses will show you what is different
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Old 7th May 2014, 08:54
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G'day fellow posters,


I'm a bit confused with this DFW-SYD 380 flt. I'll be the first to admit that I'm top of the class for being a dumbshite in economics. My question is...


If a 747ER can fly chock-a-block full of punters, fuel and freight DFW-BNE then on to SYD, is this not making money? Whereas a 380 flying DFW-SYD with 100 less punters, freight and MORE fuel to burn, is this more economical? Just curious...


As the "Redheaded Ranga" said, please explain !!!


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Old 7th May 2014, 09:11
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Higher yield due to more P and J class seats.
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Old 7th May 2014, 09:16
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Quentin,

Unfortunately you have made some invalid assumptions in your post. I don't fly this sector so I'm having to make some assumptions as well, and I'd appreciate those who know correcting, however:

  • The 747ER can't fly chock-full of people and freight DFW-BNE. They fill it up with fuel, but they have a restricted takeoff weight simply to make the distance - it may well be that they can only take 300 pax + a small amount of freight (if any).
  • The A380 will probably take 380 pax or so from DFW - SYD, maybe a bit more or less depending on the time of year and depart at MTOW. The seats that would be blocked off would be economy, and there would be a far greater number of premium seats being sold on the A380 than the 747. ( If we are doing like-for-like, certainly I'd say it would do 450 - 480 pax from DFW-BNE. )
  • It looks very much like this is to link in with Emirates, so they need First Class and the upgraded Business class for this service.

Whilst the details of the figures may be a bit rubbery, I think you get the general picture. Of course it is possible the 747 can take a bit more to BNE, however it has no First Class and would not enable the link-up.


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Old 7th May 2014, 09:20
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Must admit it is hard to see why the AIPA would, as is required by clause 15.10.3 of the WD, agree to VR terms and conditions fundamentally less than VR terms and conditions offered to Qantas flight attendants and ground engineers.

That Qantas executive and admin staff received 12 months VR, is probably a bonus for most, if not all, of those who’ve left, as the formula is 3 weeks pay for each of one’s first five tears and four weeks’ pay for each year in excess - capped at 95 weeks if one joined after October 96.

At the end of the day, the more generous the offer, the greater the acceptance and the less likely it is that young pilots will find themselves out on the street.

I for one would be extremely disappointed if any young pilot finds him/herself shown the door and the AIPA has agreed to lesser conditions than what has been negotiated by the FAAA and the ALAEA for their members.
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Old 7th May 2014, 09:22
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Or maybe you could engage your brain and realise that AIPA doesn't have rights to "agree" or otherwise to any VR package.
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Old 7th May 2014, 09:28
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Tuner,

..er .. the WD implies otherwise ...

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Old 7th May 2014, 09:30
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15.10.3 Voluntary redundancy
(a) The Company may, at its discretion, offer voluntary redundancies prior
to making pilots compulsorily redundant. Prior to final determination of
the package to be offered, the Company will meet, as a minimum, its
obligations pursuant to clause 9 to consult with the Association on
details of the package and, in addition, provide the Association the
opportunity to negotiate, in good faith, the package to be offered. The
Association acknowledges that the package to be offered in the case
of voluntary redundancies by the Company is ultimately at the
Company’s discretion.
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Old 7th May 2014, 09:46
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I beg to differ Tuner.

The WD expressly ‘provides the Association with the opportunity to negotiate, in good faith, the package to be offered’.

Happy to be corrected, but can’t imagine that the relevant flight attendant, and/or engineers’ industrial agreement offers the FAAA or the ALAEA any more negotiating strength than the AIPA has.

Of course, the litmus test will come, should pilot VR packages to be offered, be less than what is prescribed in the WD for compulsory redundancy and thereafter young pilots are cut loose.

If any junior people do go out the door, and the AIPA has accepted lesser terms and conditions than FAAA and/or ALAEA, and have not also protected the jobs of the younger pilots, I say again, I for one will be most disappointed.

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Old 7th May 2014, 09:52
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You can beg to differ all you like. The wording as to whom has the final say is unambiguous.
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