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However many crew you've got you'd still have a 10.5 hour stick time limit (10 for multiple sectors) per pilot. One would presume a pax sector would be counted as a sector for this calculation.
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Psycho Joe, not sure where you get your info from but you couldn't be further from the truth regarding augmented ops.
I spoke with someone who should know and the company presented an augmented crew section but both the unions wanted it removed because they didn't like the CASA NPRM on which the company section was based.
To say the company refused to discuss it is horse****.
I spoke with someone who should know and the company presented an augmented crew section but both the unions wanted it removed because they didn't like the CASA NPRM on which the company section was based.
To say the company refused to discuss it is horse****.
Am concerned about the FAQ, recently sent out by email in regards to the Ejet.
A "question" was raised whether the Ejets would remain with VA for the term of the EBA.
They simply did not answer the question. With Skywest operating the ATR's and old 320's, F100's and F50's, it could be on the cards, that they transfer VA's or get them new ones and they end up being "cheaper" blah blah blah........
A "question" was raised whether the Ejets would remain with VA for the term of the EBA.
They simply did not answer the question. With Skywest operating the ATR's and old 320's, F100's and F50's, it could be on the cards, that they transfer VA's or get them new ones and they end up being "cheaper" blah blah blah........
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Well...a few things come to mind.
Many of you have valid points and many I agree with but some are just over the top or purely ignorant.
330 pilots getting paid less than 777?
Who cares?
1) they accepted the position with no EBA to fly a bigger a/c
2) they have the majority of the pay increase with the exception of junior Eject (spelling correction but thought I'd leave it in there) FO's.
Yes, 737 drivers are 'not' getting a payrise and there is no equality between fleets (777 to 737) for commuters.
Business class on duty travel (as well as staff travel!) - well this sucks - standard at most airlines worldwide that have business class and yet we don't get it. Lets keep using this point. Although this EBA will get up, we can make our point known continuously. I hate the fact I'm saying this but this is one of the no holds barred for the 'next EBA'.
Just a couple of points though...
Entertaining reading - keep it coming.
Many of you have valid points and many I agree with but some are just over the top or purely ignorant.
330 pilots getting paid less than 777?
Who cares?
1) they accepted the position with no EBA to fly a bigger a/c
2) they have the majority of the pay increase with the exception of junior Eject (spelling correction but thought I'd leave it in there) FO's.
Yes, 737 drivers are 'not' getting a payrise and there is no equality between fleets (777 to 737) for commuters.
Business class on duty travel (as well as staff travel!) - well this sucks - standard at most airlines worldwide that have business class and yet we don't get it. Lets keep using this point. Although this EBA will get up, we can make our point known continuously. I hate the fact I'm saying this but this is one of the no holds barred for the 'next EBA'.
Just a couple of points though...
Entertaining reading - keep it coming.
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Snakecharma, my apologies. It would seem that after the union/s made claims re augmented ops, which the company rejected. Then the company made an offer that the unions rejected. My head hurts.
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Q. Is there any truth to the rumours that the E-Jet will exit the business during the new EBA?
A. The organisation at the direction of EXCO has been tasked with establishing a long term fleet plan. The 18 strong E-Jet fleet forms a significant part of our capacity and is an important part of our ability to service a broad network of
capital cities and regional cities throughout Australia. Typically, individual airframes stay in the fleet for 10 years.
Isn't that answer good enough for you, Servo?
A. The organisation at the direction of EXCO has been tasked with establishing a long term fleet plan. The 18 strong E-Jet fleet forms a significant part of our capacity and is an important part of our ability to service a broad network of
capital cities and regional cities throughout Australia. Typically, individual airframes stay in the fleet for 10 years.
Isn't that answer good enough for you, Servo?
I think the answer dances around the question.
I suppose the question should have been, will the Ejet remain with VA, crewed by "current" VA pilots.
Then again a company will ALWAYS find a way to do what it wants irrespective of its employees.
I suppose the question should have been, will the Ejet remain with VA, crewed by "current" VA pilots.
Then again a company will ALWAYS find a way to do what it wants irrespective of its employees.
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From a different thread (vbpilots website) where I got a bit side-tracked;
They would not have been happy with the 'darker' side of the EBA being pointed out to all those who may not have read it closely, or understood it properly.
They attempted to rush the last one through before the Skywest buy-out and Tiger shareholding (and huge management bonuses) were announced. The full ramifications of this wont be known now until after this EBA goes through, as there are new clauses in there that facilitate "Major Changes" to the companies advantage.
By the end of the agreement an Ejet Line Capt (around 100 seats) will be on 185K base. I am not saying that is being overpaid, however a bean-counter or CEO with other (cheaper) crewing options (Skywest) will! Can someone enlighten us to what a Skywest F100 (ageing aircraft, around 100 seats) Line Captain earns??
Meanwhile in the agreement, there is nothing (ok, maybe minimal) in it for 737 pilots - who are the bulk of the existing crew who have not had a payrise since 2011. Not even CPI last year due to management bully-boy tactics, and not bargaining in good faith. A330 and Ejet are in line for good payrises, which is fair enough.
The Ejet may well stay in the fleet, but who will crew it in the future??
Ïf Tiger go to 35 A320's (they will have to fly them somewhere, and there are not THAT many new routes), and there are more ATR's to come - what will happen to existing VA routes, frequencies and expansion??
I am not advocating a NO vote, each pilot will have to decide themselves which way they will vote. At the end of the day, the company will do whatever it likes regardless.
They would not have been happy with the 'darker' side of the EBA being pointed out to all those who may not have read it closely, or understood it properly.
They attempted to rush the last one through before the Skywest buy-out and Tiger shareholding (and huge management bonuses) were announced. The full ramifications of this wont be known now until after this EBA goes through, as there are new clauses in there that facilitate "Major Changes" to the companies advantage.
By the end of the agreement an Ejet Line Capt (around 100 seats) will be on 185K base. I am not saying that is being overpaid, however a bean-counter or CEO with other (cheaper) crewing options (Skywest) will! Can someone enlighten us to what a Skywest F100 (ageing aircraft, around 100 seats) Line Captain earns??
Meanwhile in the agreement, there is nothing (ok, maybe minimal) in it for 737 pilots - who are the bulk of the existing crew who have not had a payrise since 2011. Not even CPI last year due to management bully-boy tactics, and not bargaining in good faith. A330 and Ejet are in line for good payrises, which is fair enough.
The Ejet may well stay in the fleet, but who will crew it in the future??
Ïf Tiger go to 35 A320's (they will have to fly them somewhere, and there are not THAT many new routes), and there are more ATR's to come - what will happen to existing VA routes, frequencies and expansion??
I am not advocating a NO vote, each pilot will have to decide themselves which way they will vote. At the end of the day, the company will do whatever it likes regardless.
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I think we should vote NO because a 3% payrise is way too much for the 737 drivers. We should instead take a paycut in order for J.B. and upper management to receive a bigger payrise than the 53% percent which they got last year. 
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According to the EBA poll running on Virginetics, 72% yes and 28% No. This poll have been quite accurate in the past so it will be interesting to see how close it is this time round?
Irrespective of how you voted, everyone needs to at some stage thank the negotiators who eat, breath and sleep this stuff from beginning to end. They spend their days off, free time and time at home, answering emails, phone calls and discussing issues amongst themselves..
They usually receive little or no thanks for the good stuff they managed to achieve, but they certainly cop the abuse and rude emails from those who don't like certain parts. So often it's because people either haven't properly read or understood the document, or are conspiracy theorists and accuse these guys of being in bed with the company.
Either way its a Job 99% of us will never volunteer to do because it is thankless, tiring job that totally consumes you and your life until it's done.
To our negotiators, we thank you for your tireless efforts, your dedication and sacrifice. We appreciate the fact you have given so much of your personal free time and time you should have been spending with you family to try and negotiate an EBA that will improve the salary and conditions for all of us.
Thank you.
Irrespective of how you voted, everyone needs to at some stage thank the negotiators who eat, breath and sleep this stuff from beginning to end. They spend their days off, free time and time at home, answering emails, phone calls and discussing issues amongst themselves..
They usually receive little or no thanks for the good stuff they managed to achieve, but they certainly cop the abuse and rude emails from those who don't like certain parts. So often it's because people either haven't properly read or understood the document, or are conspiracy theorists and accuse these guys of being in bed with the company.
Either way its a Job 99% of us will never volunteer to do because it is thankless, tiring job that totally consumes you and your life until it's done.
To our negotiators, we thank you for your tireless efforts, your dedication and sacrifice. We appreciate the fact you have given so much of your personal free time and time you should have been spending with you family to try and negotiate an EBA that will improve the salary and conditions for all of us.
Thank you.
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Great post FMC...
Now that the results are in, perhaps someone or some people can share what the benefits/good points/improvements of the new EBA will be (if indeed voted up)
It'll be good to focus on the good points.
Being a (hopeful) future employee, if someone doesn't mind answering, has this new agreement got changes in the training/bond cost? I did see somewhere it was halved.
Are the first 6 weeks (or so?) still unpaid until passing the respective sim?
Would really like to have a read if it's publically available.
Cheers. Wwa
Now that the results are in, perhaps someone or some people can share what the benefits/good points/improvements of the new EBA will be (if indeed voted up)
It'll be good to focus on the good points.
Being a (hopeful) future employee, if someone doesn't mind answering, has this new agreement got changes in the training/bond cost? I did see somewhere it was halved.
Are the first 6 weeks (or so?) still unpaid until passing the respective sim?
Would really like to have a read if it's publically available.
Cheers. Wwa
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Thank you
Irrespective of how you voted, everyone needs to at some stage thank the negotiators who eat, breath and sleep this stuff from beginning to end. They spend their days off, free time and time at home, answering emails, phone calls and discussing issues amongst themselves..
Thanks Jase! And thanks to all the other negotiators in both unions.
Official results are in. 96.5% participation rate with 83.49% yes vote.
Wrong way,
No more endorsement costs for new trainees but you will be docked $15k in your first year. So effectively it'll still cost you $15k regardless of fleet. You'll still have to wait till induction to get paid.
Wrong way,
No more endorsement costs for new trainees but you will be docked $15k in your first year. So effectively it'll still cost you $15k regardless of fleet. You'll still have to wait till induction to get paid.
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The great thing is that no-one will bitch and moan about the conditions that they've just voted yes to.
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