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What makes this loss of contract interesting is that the contract was lost to Dnata, who are owned by or are part of the Emirates group.
My bet is after the ek/qf deal is finalised, all Qantas contracts for ground handling will be put up for tender australia wide and dnata will win most or all of the contracts.
Standby for a lot more job losses, certainly on the ground.
My bet is after the ek/qf deal is finalised, all Qantas contracts for ground handling will be put up for tender australia wide and dnata will win most or all of the contracts.
Standby for a lot more job losses, certainly on the ground.
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What makes this loss of contract interesting is that the contract was lost to Dnata, who are owned by or are part of the Emirates group.
My bet is after the ek/qf deal is finalised, all Qantas contracts for ground handling will be put up for tender australia wide and dnata will win most or all of the contracts.
Standby for a lot more job losses, certainly on the ground.
My bet is after the ek/qf deal is finalised, all Qantas contracts for ground handling will be put up for tender australia wide and dnata will win most or all of the contracts.
Standby for a lot more job losses, certainly on the ground.
History
Dnata was established in 1959 in Dubai, UAE, with just five employees. The name originates as an acronym for ‘Dubai National Air Travel Agency’. It has grown significantly[2] with the first international expansion seen in 1993 through a joint venture with Gerry’s International in Pakistan. Global expansion was also witnessed in 2008 through the acquisition of a 23% share in worldwide corporate travel company, Hogg Robinson Group (HRG) and 49% acquisition of the global outsource provider, Mind Pearl. In December, 2010, Dnata acquired Alpha Flight Limited, expanding the company even further to cover 62 airports in 12 countries. Today, Dnata has 20,000 employees with a worldwide network across five continents.
In August, 2010, Dnata appointed UAE based brand consultancy, Brash Brands, to review the Dnata brand as part of a health check exercise commissioned by CEO, Gary Chapman.[3] On 28 May 2011, Dnata launched its new brand strategy and identity created in partnership with Brash Brands [4]
Ground Handling
Dnata employs over 6,500 people who handle passenger, cargo, ramp and technical services for airlines at Dubai International Airport. Globally, Dnata also provides airport services to 19 airports: Dnata - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
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You're probably right about Dnata growing and taking more check-in contracts but why does it mean job losses? The work still needs to be done by someone. I can understand people may be concerned leaving Qantas for a contractor but the net job loss in that sector of the industry would be minimal surely?
I think you'll find QF has 'given away' most of their customer contracts as they have come up for renewal over the past 2 years after AJ said he didn't want them anyway...
Interesting choice of words from Lesley Grant in her letter to frequent flyers.
My bold.
Sharing.....
Over the coming weeks we look forward to telling you more about benefits for Qantas Frequent Flyers from this partnership, including lounge access, the world's largest shared fleet of Airbus A380s
Sharing.....
Sharing disjoints the connection between usage and ownership of a product. Products are often sold because a buyer intends to use the product or the buyer intends to sell it to someone who will use it, thus sharing a product may reduce the product's demand by reducing the number of people who intend to acquire it to use it. Though sharing is touted as an economical and environmental aid to the public (carpooling, shared apartments, etc.), some businesses perceive it as a threat because of its assumed effect on their profitability. This has resulted in protection laws (such as copyright provisions denying owners the right to perform or display the work publicly) to curb sharing. The effect on profitability is difficult if not impossible to assess because it relies on making sweeping assumptions about public behavior including individual decision making differences, buyers only convinced to buy after using a friend's product, and the effect on the sales of products given away.
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So Joyce got the tie up and his supposed saviour in Emirates he wanted. So, all things being equal, when is he going to start promoting Qantas????
We,as employees do it every day without management support, so when is the next campaign of "I still call Australia home" going to start?????
Singo knows it gets everyone in!!!
Actually, there isn't an aussie around the world that can't relate to it. So, with his (Joyces) big turn around maybe he should start pulling out the big guns that even over a few decades has still continued to touch the hearts and strings of many aussies travelling or living overseas and get people, especially Australians, back in touch with Qantas!
Oh, thats right, Alan's not Australian, it's not Jetstar and he will never understand.
We,as employees do it every day without management support, so when is the next campaign of "I still call Australia home" going to start?????
Singo knows it gets everyone in!!!
Actually, there isn't an aussie around the world that can't relate to it. So, with his (Joyces) big turn around maybe he should start pulling out the big guns that even over a few decades has still continued to touch the hearts and strings of many aussies travelling or living overseas and get people, especially Australians, back in touch with Qantas!
Oh, thats right, Alan's not Australian, it's not Jetstar and he will never understand.
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Oh, thats right, Alan's not Australian,
If I was Walsh, the first thing I would do is shut down Rio’s ivory tower in London and move it to Perth.
Read more: Time to bring Rio Tinto home
Read more: Time to bring Rio Tinto home
I fear with the EK/QF tie up the QF "ivory tower" may move off-shore for operational staff recruiting purposes..... I suppose it avoids the Qantas sales act.
Oh yeah, and there is a connection with the current Q chairman...
Interesting manoeuvre....
Qantas takes code off Jetstar routes | Travel Weekly
Qantas takes code off Jetstar routes | Travel Weekly
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Qantas takes code off Jetstar routes | Travel Weekly
I would guess the "transparency" required when booking travel is to unwind the deceit of "you thought you booked a Qantas flight & you end up with Jetstar"
I'd go further to say its probably coming at the direction of Emirates. Since when has Qantas management really listened to its passengers.
I would guess the "transparency" required when booking travel is to unwind the deceit of "you thought you booked a Qantas flight & you end up with Jetstar"
I'd go further to say its probably coming at the direction of Emirates. Since when has Qantas management really listened to its passengers.
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... or cared about 'anything'!
(other than their own pockets).
(other than their own pockets).
Unions are making a last-ditch plea to the consumer watchdog against a partnership between Qantas and Emirates airlines.
Tony Sheldon, national secretary of the Transport Workers' Union (TWU), along with other union representatives will front an Australian Consumer and Competition Commission (ACCC) conference on Friday.
Mr Sheldon says he will reiterate that the partnership is a bad deal on many fronts.
"It's bad for consumers, it's bad for the travelling public, it's bad for the economy and it's bad for the Australian workforce," he told reporters outside the conference in Sydney.
"Shrinking Qantas and handing over our national routes is putting our economic future into the hands of a Middle East carrier in a volatile part of the world."
Independent senator Nick Xenophon, who is also giving evidence, said the deal would mean further job losses.
"We will see a shrinking of the flying kangaroo and further job losses."
Earlier this month the ACCC gave Qantas and Emirates the green light to prepare joint strategies for sales, marketing and pricing.
But the ACCC has said its interim authorisation of the partnership may be reviewed at any time and should not be seen as an indication of whether final approval will be given or not.
Tony Sheldon, national secretary of the Transport Workers' Union (TWU), along with other union representatives will front an Australian Consumer and Competition Commission (ACCC) conference on Friday.
Mr Sheldon says he will reiterate that the partnership is a bad deal on many fronts.
"It's bad for consumers, it's bad for the travelling public, it's bad for the economy and it's bad for the Australian workforce," he told reporters outside the conference in Sydney.
"Shrinking Qantas and handing over our national routes is putting our economic future into the hands of a Middle East carrier in a volatile part of the world."
Independent senator Nick Xenophon, who is also giving evidence, said the deal would mean further job losses.
"We will see a shrinking of the flying kangaroo and further job losses."
Earlier this month the ACCC gave Qantas and Emirates the green light to prepare joint strategies for sales, marketing and pricing.
But the ACCC has said its interim authorisation of the partnership may be reviewed at any time and should not be seen as an indication of whether final approval will be given or not.
Plus, any Arabic speaking people want a job?
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Who wrote that ad?!
I'm not sure that a willingness to work on Christmas Day would be an issue for most Arabic speakers.
Eid al-Fitr, on the other hand...
Our People have:...
... The flexibility to work any shift in our operation, including Christmas and New Year's Eve
... The flexibility to work any shift in our operation, including Christmas and New Year's Eve
Eid al-Fitr, on the other hand...
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just christmas and new year?
what about mardi gras and NRL and AFL grand finals?
there is also the issue with people looking arabic and having muslim names. they won't just be flying to dubai, as many flights on 380 also go to the states. some crew including pilots have a regular 2 hour questioning period on arrival to USA. don't expect crew bus to be still waiting outside. 380 f/a crew can't bid for rosters
what about mardi gras and NRL and AFL grand finals?
there is also the issue with people looking arabic and having muslim names. they won't just be flying to dubai, as many flights on 380 also go to the states. some crew including pilots have a regular 2 hour questioning period on arrival to USA. don't expect crew bus to be still waiting outside. 380 f/a crew can't bid for rosters
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Xenophon attacks ACCC over Qantas
SENATOR Nick Xenophon has slammed the consumer watchdog for admitting that it had not properly tested Qantas' claims that its international operations would face "terminal decline" if its proposed alliance with Emirates could not go ahead.
The Australian Competition and Consumer Commission granted interim authorisation in January for an alliance between Qantas and Emirates that will see the airlines share joint marketing, pricing and co-ordination on some routes, as well as reciprocal frequent-flyer benefits and an extensive codesharing arrangement.
The controversial decision came after Qantas warned in September that its international operations were in serious trouble and that its proposed 10-year partnership with Emirates was an ''urgent strategic imperative''.
But in a stakeholders' meeting on Friday, the ACCC admitted it had not asked a forensic accountant to go over Qantas' books to test its claim before allowing the alliance to go ahead. Instead, it said it had relied on its own investigation and on Qantas' submission to the watchdog.
Senator Xenophon said he was was concerned about the admission.
''It is absolutely extraordinary … that there has been no forensic analysis [of Qantas' financial accounts]. That's one admission we got out of the ACCC,'' he said.
''Qantas' hundreds of companies, hundreds of subsidiaries, and literally the ACCC has not even assessed that, has not forensically looked at these claims of terminal decline.
''Let's put this in context, back in February 2011, Alan Joyce said that Qantas Group was ticking along nicely, the international division was making really good solid profits, yet less than four months later it was seen to be a complete turnaround. What happened?''
The commission said on Friday that its decision to allow the deal to go through had not been based on Qantas' claim that its business would be in terminal decline if it did not go through.
It also said its decision was not swayed by a consideration of job losses at Qantas, only for the effect on the Australian economy as a whole.
Tony Sheldon, national secretary of the Transport Workers Union, said he was concerned the ACCC had not considered the impact the alliance would have on jobs. my bold
Read more: Xenophon attacks ACCC over Qantas
The Australian Competition and Consumer Commission granted interim authorisation in January for an alliance between Qantas and Emirates that will see the airlines share joint marketing, pricing and co-ordination on some routes, as well as reciprocal frequent-flyer benefits and an extensive codesharing arrangement.
The controversial decision came after Qantas warned in September that its international operations were in serious trouble and that its proposed 10-year partnership with Emirates was an ''urgent strategic imperative''.
But in a stakeholders' meeting on Friday, the ACCC admitted it had not asked a forensic accountant to go over Qantas' books to test its claim before allowing the alliance to go ahead. Instead, it said it had relied on its own investigation and on Qantas' submission to the watchdog.
Senator Xenophon said he was was concerned about the admission.
''It is absolutely extraordinary … that there has been no forensic analysis [of Qantas' financial accounts]. That's one admission we got out of the ACCC,'' he said.
''Qantas' hundreds of companies, hundreds of subsidiaries, and literally the ACCC has not even assessed that, has not forensically looked at these claims of terminal decline.
''Let's put this in context, back in February 2011, Alan Joyce said that Qantas Group was ticking along nicely, the international division was making really good solid profits, yet less than four months later it was seen to be a complete turnaround. What happened?''
The commission said on Friday that its decision to allow the deal to go through had not been based on Qantas' claim that its business would be in terminal decline if it did not go through.
It also said its decision was not swayed by a consideration of job losses at Qantas, only for the effect on the Australian economy as a whole.
Tony Sheldon, national secretary of the Transport Workers Union, said he was concerned the ACCC had not considered the impact the alliance would have on jobs. my bold
Read more: Xenophon attacks ACCC over Qantas
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there is also the issue with people looking arabic and having muslim names. they won't just be flying to dubai, as many flights on 380 also go to the states. some crew including pilots have a regular 2 hour questioning period on arrival to USA. don't expect crew bus to be still waiting outside. 380 f/a crew can't bid for rosters
There are also plenty of us anglo-saxon folk who don't look Arabic (why didn't you just say potential terrorist) who get the 3rd degree when we enter or leave the good ol'e US as crew.
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Having reached the stage of acceptance, the final stage of grief, I think perhaps there might be another stage....laughter. Surely that's all you can do when there is yet more culling but the focus of the press release and subsequent news articles is the possible expansion in 2016. BAhahahah