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WOW! It’s not often an underdog gets to deliver a body blow to a Body Corporate.
In the matter of ALAEA v QF & EK in the ACCC however, the ALAEA may yet bring the QF/EK tie-up to its knees. Don’t think the above submission written by the General Manager is the knockout punch some are hoping for, but may well be enough to:
• Reduce the scope of what QF/EK are intending, and
• Put off for another day, the as yet unknown global strategy QF/EK want to roll out with the blessing of the ACCC.
Nonetheless, even if the ACCC is less accommodating than expected, can’t see the present QF leadership rolling back the offshoring of A380 heavy maintenance.
Where it may make a difference, is fending off an Asian based entity intent on taking over QF’s Australia to Asia operations with 787’s based somewhere other than down-under later this decade.
Well done Peter Somerville. Either way, it’s your time in the sun.
In the matter of ALAEA v QF & EK in the ACCC however, the ALAEA may yet bring the QF/EK tie-up to its knees. Don’t think the above submission written by the General Manager is the knockout punch some are hoping for, but may well be enough to:
• Reduce the scope of what QF/EK are intending, and
• Put off for another day, the as yet unknown global strategy QF/EK want to roll out with the blessing of the ACCC.
Nonetheless, even if the ACCC is less accommodating than expected, can’t see the present QF leadership rolling back the offshoring of A380 heavy maintenance.
Where it may make a difference, is fending off an Asian based entity intent on taking over QF’s Australia to Asia operations with 787’s based somewhere other than down-under later this decade.
Well done Peter Somerville. Either way, it’s your time in the sun.
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ACCC keeps airlines on tenterhooks over alliance
ACCC keeps airlines on tenterhooks over alliance
The whole thing appears to be a bit of a nightmare for Mr Sims, a bit more complicated than he first thought, interesting video when looking back to what Sims said back in December.
Would be good to be a fly on the wall over at the ACCC this week.
Qantas is unlikely to find out whether it has final clearance from the competition regulator for its extensive alliance with Emirates until the middle of this week, just days before it is due to begin.
The airlines plan to launch their tie-up on Sunday but the absence of a final decision from the Australian Competition and Consumer Commission leaves their management teams on tenterhooks. The shifting of Qantas' main overseas hub from Singapore to Emirates' base in Dubai is a highly complex operation.
The deal with the Middle Eastern airline - which is mostly focused on routes to Europe via Dubai - is expected to win final approval but the regulator could impose stiff conditions on code-sharing on flights between Australia and New Zealand.
The ACCC has previously indicated that it will make the pair live up to their promise not to reduce overall capacity on trans-Tasman routes. The airlines also need approval from New Zealand's Transport Minister, Gerry Brownlee, for trans-Tasman flights.
The airlines plan to launch their tie-up on Sunday but the absence of a final decision from the Australian Competition and Consumer Commission leaves their management teams on tenterhooks. The shifting of Qantas' main overseas hub from Singapore to Emirates' base in Dubai is a highly complex operation.
The deal with the Middle Eastern airline - which is mostly focused on routes to Europe via Dubai - is expected to win final approval but the regulator could impose stiff conditions on code-sharing on flights between Australia and New Zealand.
The ACCC has previously indicated that it will make the pair live up to their promise not to reduce overall capacity on trans-Tasman routes. The airlines also need approval from New Zealand's Transport Minister, Gerry Brownlee, for trans-Tasman flights.
Would be good to be a fly on the wall over at the ACCC this week.
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The airlines also need approval from New Zealand's Transport Minister, Gerry Brownlee, for trans-Tasman flights.
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Indeed TIMAX! the whole thing does appear to be a bit of a nightmare for Mr Sims.
In its 13 March submission, the ALAEA states that Qantas alone has over 300 related body corporates and submits that the ACCC, (without knowing what all QF’s & EK’s related body corporates do and are intending to do), cannot appropriately gauge the anticompetitive cost benefits of the tie up.
If ALAEA is correct on this point, and it has not been possible for the ACCC to fully establish the activities and conduct of all QF/EK related body corporates, but Sims signs of on what Qantas and Emirates have asked for anyway, expect the lawyers will cry tears of joy.
Sleepless nights beckon.
In its 13 March submission, the ALAEA states that Qantas alone has over 300 related body corporates and submits that the ACCC, (without knowing what all QF’s & EK’s related body corporates do and are intending to do), cannot appropriately gauge the anticompetitive cost benefits of the tie up.
If ALAEA is correct on this point, and it has not been possible for the ACCC to fully establish the activities and conduct of all QF/EK related body corporates, but Sims signs of on what Qantas and Emirates have asked for anyway, expect the lawyers will cry tears of joy.
Sleepless nights beckon.
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ACCC approves Qantas Asia move
SMH 26 Mar 2013
The Australian Competition and Consumer Commission (ACCC) authorised Qantas to coordinate with Jetstar's operations in Singapore, Vietnam, Japan and Hong Kong on passenger and cargo services, the regulator said in a statement this morning.
But the authorisation does not extend to coordination between the airline owners, the ACCC said.
SMH 26 Mar 2013
The Australian Competition and Consumer Commission (ACCC) authorised Qantas to coordinate with Jetstar's operations in Singapore, Vietnam, Japan and Hong Kong on passenger and cargo services, the regulator said in a statement this morning.
But the authorisation does not extend to coordination between the airline owners, the ACCC said.
Hmmm! Suspect the ALAEA will soon be smiling, but not so sure about Geoff Dixon and hard to say what a similar ACCC decision will mean for Qantas and Emirates long term.
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Worth what, any odds with sportingbet about the ACCC passing this deal as is?
Unfortunately, this will get up like all things involving the big end of town, qantas, chairmans lounges, pig troughs and the rest.
Unfortunately, this will get up like all things involving the big end of town, qantas, chairmans lounges, pig troughs and the rest.
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Of course it will fly. They spent a motza setting it up, killed the Asian way to Europe and went on a media blitz to sell it. There will be some hoops but they will largely get their wishes. Sounds like they have made some good moves for staff with travel benefits on EK flights.
Amp, I think the problem for staff will be, that because ek is in the business of being an airline and not a travel agent, ala alan style, They are obviously aggressively growing the business and attempting to attract as many full fare paying passengers they can get. Something qantas seems to have given up on.
Perhaps ek staff might want to venture on here and comment on the pros and cons of their staff travel arrangements and perhaps an incite into the difficulties of getting to certain destinations because of commercial load considerations. After all, qf staff will be in a very long queue behind them to get on board, and rightly so.
It's still amazing the way this crap is shovelled down qf staffs throat, as the best thing since sliced bread, this morning from the ceo.
I wonder what his on load category will be?
Was it smashing pumpkins with the song about the beginning of the end of the beginning?
Perhaps ek staff might want to venture on here and comment on the pros and cons of their staff travel arrangements and perhaps an incite into the difficulties of getting to certain destinations because of commercial load considerations. After all, qf staff will be in a very long queue behind them to get on board, and rightly so.
It's still amazing the way this crap is shovelled down qf staffs throat, as the best thing since sliced bread, this morning from the ceo.
I wonder what his on load category will be?
Was it smashing pumpkins with the song about the beginning of the end of the beginning?
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Perhaps ek staff might want to venture on here and comment on the pros and cons of their staff travel arrangements and perhaps an incite into the difficulties of getting to certain destinations because of commercial load considerations.
Look on the bright side HotnHigh, you also get a higher priority on Jetstar than EK staff. Now thats a win!
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Of course it will fly. They spent a motza setting it up, killed the Asian way to Europe and went on a media blitz to sell it.
Interesting piece from Ben Sandilands
Qantas-Emirates? T minus 5 days and counting | Plane Talking
due to begin this Sunday. Or it might not. The competition regulator and Qantas have not batted an eyelid for more than a week in which most of the airline sector anticipated the deals would be sealed.
due to begin this Sunday. Or it might not. The competition regulator and Qantas have not batted an eyelid for more than a week in which most of the airline sector anticipated the deals would be sealed.
How ironic it would be if we (QF staff) had a better chance of getting on an Emirates/Qantas flight via an Emirates ticket, than getting on a Qantas flight where we sit behind the "IT guru" who started last year, despite the fact that we are on a 30 year long service trip!
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Tim, I hear tomorrow maybe the day. It will be conditional but I just can't see the bulk of it being knocked back.
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It will be conditional but I just can't see the bulk of it being knocked back.
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Tim: So, Alan, how are all your staff going with with our partnership plans?
Alan: Oh, quite promising I think, Tim. We have just introduced a new initiative to engage our staff with Emirates as a partner and Dubai as a destination. I think it will go very well.
Tim: Very interesting, how does it work?
Alan: Well, we are going to send one of our staff on a flight to Dubai and back.
Tim: Sounds great. Are they are going to do a blog, or write a news article? Will there be press coverage?
Alan: Oh, no, nothing like that. We are just going to send one of our staff there and back.
Tim: OK - and then what?
Alan: I'm not sure I understand the question. That's what we're doing, we're sending one of our staff to Dubai and back.
Tim: Well, it sounds like a great start. What do you hope to achieve?
Alan: Well, it's kind of a competition you see. To engage the staff and get them all excited about the new partnership.
Tim: Oh, that's very exciting. What do they have to do to win? Come up with a marketing idea?
Alan: Ah, nothing like that - we have already selected the winner. He won't complain.
Tim: Won't complain? What do you mean?
Alan: Well, he's an A380 Second Officer you see - from now on he'll be spending half his life in Dubai anyway. And if he doesn't like it, he can resign and join Emirates. Either way, his future is Dubai, so he can't exactly complain can he?
Tim: You truly are the smartest man in the room. What about the rest of the staff?
Alan: Well, we've got that covered. We're sending them all a sealed and confidential letter telling them that they are not going to Dubai.
Tim: Telling them that they are not going?
Alan: Yes, we've spent a lot of money sending letters containing expensive glossy cards to all our staff telling them they are not going to Dubai.
Tim: Were they expecting to go to Dubai?
Alan: I don't think so.
Tim: I'm confused. You are sending letters to your staff, who weren't expecting nor planning to go to Dubai, to tell them that they aren't going to Dubai?
Alan: Correct. They're not going this time.
Tim: This time? Ah, sorry, now I understand. You'll be sending more staff later?
Alan: Oh, no. Whilst this was a very costly initiative - and we would like to do it again sometime down the track - we need to stay focussed on our commitment to turning our airline around. Re-engaging our staff is our main priority going forward.
Tim: Great news. Thank you Alan.
Alan: Oh, quite promising I think, Tim. We have just introduced a new initiative to engage our staff with Emirates as a partner and Dubai as a destination. I think it will go very well.
Tim: Very interesting, how does it work?
Alan: Well, we are going to send one of our staff on a flight to Dubai and back.
Tim: Sounds great. Are they are going to do a blog, or write a news article? Will there be press coverage?
Alan: Oh, no, nothing like that. We are just going to send one of our staff there and back.
Tim: OK - and then what?
Alan: I'm not sure I understand the question. That's what we're doing, we're sending one of our staff to Dubai and back.
Tim: Well, it sounds like a great start. What do you hope to achieve?
Alan: Well, it's kind of a competition you see. To engage the staff and get them all excited about the new partnership.
Tim: Oh, that's very exciting. What do they have to do to win? Come up with a marketing idea?
Alan: Ah, nothing like that - we have already selected the winner. He won't complain.
Tim: Won't complain? What do you mean?
Alan: Well, he's an A380 Second Officer you see - from now on he'll be spending half his life in Dubai anyway. And if he doesn't like it, he can resign and join Emirates. Either way, his future is Dubai, so he can't exactly complain can he?
Tim: You truly are the smartest man in the room. What about the rest of the staff?
Alan: Well, we've got that covered. We're sending them all a sealed and confidential letter telling them that they are not going to Dubai.
Tim: Telling them that they are not going?
Alan: Yes, we've spent a lot of money sending letters containing expensive glossy cards to all our staff telling them they are not going to Dubai.
Tim: Were they expecting to go to Dubai?
Alan: I don't think so.
Tim: I'm confused. You are sending letters to your staff, who weren't expecting nor planning to go to Dubai, to tell them that they aren't going to Dubai?
Alan: Correct. They're not going this time.
Tim: This time? Ah, sorry, now I understand. You'll be sending more staff later?
Alan: Oh, no. Whilst this was a very costly initiative - and we would like to do it again sometime down the track - we need to stay focussed on our commitment to turning our airline around. Re-engaging our staff is our main priority going forward.
Tim: Great news. Thank you Alan.
As far as EK staff travel goes-well it's just not that easy if you want to go anywhere you would actually want to go. This airline has amazing load factors-to the detriment of non-rev travel. The best shot of getting anywhere is if you have the luxury of J upgradeable F, and even then I have seen guys with 20 years+ seniority take 3 or more days to get out of DXB-with at least 3 flights a day going where they want. Our staff travel is DoJ seniority prioritised, and that carries across to our family eg if my DoJ is 1 day before yours my wife/mother/father etc have a higher priority than you in the eligible travel class. CA get J upgradeable F entitlement, F/O and Purser get Y upgradeable J. We have approx 3500 Pilots and 17000 + Cabin Crew at present, growing all the time, and they will all be in front of a QF Staff traveller with the same entitlement. Flipside is QF staff get access to an ever growing network-based on space available. There are NO upgrades beyond your entitlement. Hope that answers the previous question.
Qantas alliance with Emirates approved by ACCC for 5 years (That should be more than long enough for Alan to achieve his goal)
....more to come
....more to come
ACCC approves EKqf tie-up
An excerpt from the report, via Ben Sandilands at Crikey:
“The ACCC has assessed the public benefits and detriments of the alliance on the basis that the scope of Qantas’ international operations in the likely future without the alliance is not materially different to the likely future with the alliance. In particular, the ACCC does not accept or rely on the claim that Qantas International is in “terminal decline” and unable to compete effectively or operate profitably absent the alliance,” Mr Sims said.
So it seems to me that the ACCC has rightly rejected the false dilemma put forward by Joyce that without the deal, QF international will be dead but at the same time the deal has been approved with acknowledgement that there will not be significant material public benefit. So all the QF job losses will be for what exactly?
“The ACCC has assessed the public benefits and detriments of the alliance on the basis that the scope of Qantas’ international operations in the likely future without the alliance is not materially different to the likely future with the alliance. In particular, the ACCC does not accept or rely on the claim that Qantas International is in “terminal decline” and unable to compete effectively or operate profitably absent the alliance,” Mr Sims said.
So it seems to me that the ACCC has rightly rejected the false dilemma put forward by Joyce that without the deal, QF international will be dead but at the same time the deal has been approved with acknowledgement that there will not be significant material public benefit. So all the QF job losses will be for what exactly?
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Derfred, do you write for Clarke and Dawe? That's pretty good.
As expected the ACCC delivered on Wednesday.
As expected the ACCC delivered on Wednesday.
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The Australian have failed to mention Mr Sims view on AJ's terminal decline statements.
The Australian have failed to mention Mr Sims view on AJ's terminal decline statements.
The alliance was a key plank in Qantas chief executive Alan Joyce's bid to return the Flying Kangaroo's international operations to profitability.