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Gregg, Dixon, Carnegie, Singo make a play on QF

Old 28th Nov 2012, 09:33
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He won't be bullied by these thugs
No, he'll bully them. Since he became CEO, bullying of staff by management has become firmly entrenched in all areas of the company.

Dixon is Qantas. Joyce is Jetstar.
Sorry Fed Sec, I normally agree with you but this time, I believe that you are wrong. We are wearing the consequences of his poor decisions now - he is no saviour of the Qantas brand.

When James Strong was CEO, he said that his period was a "consolidation" phase (post Fed government ownership) and that his successor would manage the "expansion" phase. Unfortunately, Dixon didn't stick with the plan and kept consolidating during the boom years when every airline was making massive profits while Qantas didn't have enough capacity (in both the number of aircraft or even the right type of aircraft. The reason for the further consolidation became apparent when the APA bid surfaced and it was revealed that personal greed was his driving force.

Dixon is not the saviour that Qantas desperately needs!
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Old 28th Nov 2012, 10:13
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no... he long ago left the building, and smiling a rather cautious smile in private no doubt.
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Old 28th Nov 2012, 10:35
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I'm no fan of Dixon but, what has Joyce done? What did Dixon do? Joyce has talked allot, but done what? How is RedQ going?
What idiot grounds an Airline, strands tens of thousands of people, wastes millions of dollars, lies to the government & public.
Joyce has got to GO. If Dixon & his mates can do it. Bless their souls.
Better the devil you know?
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Old 28th Nov 2012, 10:58
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Qantas didn't expand under Dixon because Strong and Toomey didn't invest in new fleet to the extent required. They generated profits by selling the farm and got paid bonuses as a result. Qantas was left behind the eight ball through their lack of foresight. The problems with Qantas are many and varied and not one CEO has so far managed to see the real issue. It stares you in the face every day. If you leave the sheltered workshop of the Qantas Campus (WTF, it's an iconic airline, not an experiment for fresh MBAs).
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Old 28th Nov 2012, 11:00
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And then sell it off Bandit. Singleton declared on the ABC tonight that he wants to save the company, sure, and Gillard is all class. None of these blokes do anything that does not make a buck, a large buck, I would like to think they have QF at heart, but I doubt if they have a heart, and they would have already done the sums about what they would get by selling off sections, and hullo Ansett! What a mess the National carrier is in, a useless CEO and board, and hounded by carpetbaggers, it makes you want to weep.
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Old 28th Nov 2012, 11:12
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Lovely to see you back TG!
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Old 28th Nov 2012, 11:17
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I'm still in contact with many former staff and some have only just left in the past 2 or 3 years. All of them say the same thing, managers have no idea how to manage, they are all yes men and live for their bonuses.

As for 'outsiders' there are plenty of people who would be more qualified to sit on a 'new board' than say, the likes of Cosgrove, e.g.

http://wolseley.com.au/content/4/Our-People?profileId=10
http://www.stainlayconsulting.com/who.html

http://www.sita.aero/content/ian-riddell
To name just 3.
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Old 28th Nov 2012, 11:47
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I'm sure there's more qualified people out there, and even within Qantas, but who would want the gig?

People as good as Borghetti are hard to find.

Someone within might be best as they know how things work in the industry.

Assuming Joyce won't go easily, I wonder if some within in high places are already grooming someone right now.

Please don't let it be Hrdlicka.
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Old 28th Nov 2012, 12:13
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Sorry Fed Sec, I normally agree with you but this time, I believe that you are wrong.
Never, ever, it cannot be. Well maybe it can. Look I don't think Dixon should be near our airline but I am absolutely 100% certain that Joyce and Clifford should not be. They will kill it. Dixon may kill it.

Yes I too agree that much of the mess was created by old scrotum face in the first place. The ship was sinking when he slipped into a life raft. I do think Qantas can be saved though it just needs some airline people to run it.

Something needs to give.
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Old 28th Nov 2012, 12:44
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Never, ever, it cannot be. Well maybe it can. Look I don't think Dixon should be near our airline but I am absolutely 100% certain that Joyce and Clifford should not be. They will kill it. Dixon may kill it.

Yes I too agree that much of the mess was created by old scrotum face in the first place. The ship was sinking when he slipped into a life raft. I do think Qantas can be saved though it just needs some airline people to run it.
Dixon and the current board should not be allowed anywhere near QANTAS.

Dixon is a proven failure, and Joyce is a failure in the making and has been for some time.

Airline people??? None in QANTAS management. Not in the upper end of the company anyway.

There is a slight chance QANTAS can be saved, but that window of opportunity is narrowing.

Martin Ferguson (Minister for Resources and Energy and also for Tourism) should have sacked or at least stood down Dixon today for a conflict of interest in being head of Tourism Australia and part of the syndicate to buy QANTAS. But being a typical incompetent federal Labor Minister, failed, and Dixon keeps his position.

I'm still in contact with many former staff and some have only just left in the past 2 or 3 years. All of them say the same thing, managers have no idea how to manage, they are all yes men and live for their bonuses.
The current staff can tell you the same thing.

I'm no fan of Dixon but, what has Joyce done? What did Dixon do? Joyce has talked allot, but done what? How is RedQ going?
What idiot grounds an Airline, strands tens of thousands of people, wastes millions of dollars, lies to the government & public.
Joyce has got to GO. If Dixon & his mates can do it. Bless their souls.
Better the devil you know?
Neither did anything for the benefit of QANTAS or its prosperity. RedQ, GONE!!

Joyce has got to go, but Dixon and his mates should be let nowhere near QANTAS. Definitely an APA II to happen.

Suspend trading on QANTAS shares until this mess is sorted. That means the Dixon consortium's 2% holding in the company is frozen.
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Old 28th Nov 2012, 13:50
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I wonder if John Borghetti could turn Qantas around?
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Old 28th Nov 2012, 14:12
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Just bought a nice Sunbeam fan and top of the line Bosch dishwasher.

I went to the Good Guys (seeing as Harvey Norman/Joyce Mayne=QFdeath). After some banter, the saleslady asked if I was QANTAS. She gave me an extra 10% off! She knew what time it was. She also called GD "an old c:nt." That was nice to hear, as he really is one. Can any of you argue that?

BOYCOTT Harvey Norman/Joyce Mayne.
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Old 28th Nov 2012, 17:46
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You can:t call Dixon that! He doesn't have a single feminine characteristic, such as empathy, or communication skills, in his personality.

As for Strong, if you delve into the records, you'll find it was Strong who ordered the A380. Strong spent a lot of time researching what customers actually wanted and trying to give it to them. If you recall, he also spent a lot of time briefing staff, particularly the pilots. Usually attended meetings monthly and soaked up a lot of flack from certain quarters but was always well briefed and knew his stuff. He took the time to actually figure out what was going on around the place.

Dixon promised to come to a pilot briefing once, but welched and sent Gregg. J:yce has never attended any function with 'line' staff, as far as I know. So wouldn't have a clue what's going on in the field. I'm pretty sure the only Qantas pilot he's ever met would be John Travolta. [Saw them together at the 90th Birthday bash].

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Old 28th Nov 2012, 20:43
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Thanks Fleigenmong, you just get the shites about the whole thing, but realise QF's strength is with its staff and former staff that are prepared to fight till the end, to keep this Icon going. For whatever your reason for saving this company, its worth fighting for, because we all know out there somewhere is someone who can do it. I think its Ralph Norris, some might have other ideas, but in this country there is someone, who has the dedication, the know how, the resolve to turn this company around, and the ability to get the staff behind them, and then watch QF hum. The question is can we find that person in time?
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Old 28th Nov 2012, 21:10
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What is wrong if Dixon is trying to sell of Jetstar,Joyce has sold off International division to Emirates,
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Old 28th Nov 2012, 22:28
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Unfortunately there is nothing stopping Dixon et al from doing to QF what News Ltd did to Ansett. QF can regroup and restructure now, but if new owners flush the cash aka Murdoch, then flog off the remains it will be history repeating.
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Old 28th Nov 2012, 22:50
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Toomey didn't invest in new fleet to the extent required.
Name from the past! Doesn't seem to have done any better with APNG. He has just been shown the door. Wonder if a Dash 8 accident report is about to be released by Sid? Me thinks 'yes'.
Absolutely

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Old 29th Nov 2012, 05:17
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Master of Drama at QFA?

Drama queen, more like...

Master of drama: Qantas CEO Alan Joyce
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Old 29th Nov 2012, 05:52
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Gregg, Dixon, Carnegie, Singo make a play on QF

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Old 29th Nov 2012, 06:43
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Strongman, seriously.......

For god sake man, take a good look. The way a man rides a motorcycle says alot about how he conducts himself in the real world.
Your bluffing your heart out, and got way too much firepower. Who are you kidding? There is one person I know of for sure. Yourself.
Step away from your profession, and who are you? Alans big brother.....you the man.......
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