VA Short/Medium haul EBA voted down

[Capt Basil Brush]

dirty deeds says;

I have asked many drivers at VB why did you vote no, the answer has been the "wording". When I produce the document and ask which wording in specific, they cannot show me or even discuss which clauses they are concerned with. Funny stuff!

VB has gained 400 drivers since the last EBA, and sorry to say, they are easily led and industrially immature.

Gee you must be an absolute pleasure to fly with! No wonder they don't want to talk to you.

It looks like the AFAP have planted 'defenders' on this website as well as the VB Pilots website, immediately putting down anyone who dares to criticise their actions - whether right or wrong.

Fortunately most people are smart enough to see through it.

[dirty deeds]

Capt Brush

Thanks for the constructive criticism.

Never let the truth get in the way of a good story.

[Snakecharma]

What no one can tell me from the company, Feds or VIPA, is what is going to happen now.

If it is a quick tweak of the words and a revote (which is what I am hearing is coming the VIPA corner) then that doesn't seem to indicate that the document was too far off the mark. In which case was it worth throwing back pay and pay rises away in order to tweak the words?

If it is longer what are the FO's who can't move from the Ejet to the 737 think if the company applies the current EBA as written?

My guess is with 3 other EBA and the res system changeover it will be the middle of next year before it gets up for another vote.

If it is business class travel I have sat in on JB's roadshows where he said no - I am not sure who is saying they want business class travel but won't it mean a fight with the CEO?

If it is more money then how much? With only a profit of 22 odd million you could turn that whole 22 million into a Pay increase for domestic pilots and still only achieve a 22 grand increase for each pilot (22000000/1000) which I would think the shareholders would want to see either reinvested into the business or eventually paid as a dividend.

I thought the pay rises in the document that was rejected were not unreasonable, can't remember the numbers but they were not along the lines of the 3% that fair work paid the QF guys.

But as a line pilot I get bombarded by all these mixed messages. I wish I knew where the real information is

[Keg]

In which case was it worth throwing back pay and pay rises away in order to tweak the words?

I always love this threat from the various companies at EBA vote time. QF tries it on as well. If you don't vote for this we're not going to give you back pay. In every case I've seen they've paid the back pay as part of a renegotiated deal.

I thought the pay rises in the document that was rejected were not unreasonable, can't remember the numbers but they were not along the lines of the 3% that fair work paid the QF guys.

You mean QF ground staff? Long haul pilots still haven't had final submissions. They're scheduled for later in October. We'll be lucky to see a decision by Christmas. I suspect it'll be minimal changes (and those that occur will probably have been 'agreed' anyway) but your 3% mark will probably end up being close ot the mark.

[Normasars]

KEG,

FYI in "lower echelons" of the "Group", I can categorically confirm that the "Company" did indeed hold back the backpay after the first offer was unanimously voted down.

The @rseholes still owe me over 16 months of backpay from FY 05/06 IIRC.

Just clarifying a point

[Keg]

Fair enough. Didn't know that. Should have voted 'no' the second time until they put back pay in!

Just for my own benefit, which work group did this affect?

[Don Diego]

Keg,"lower echelons" should be enough to figure out who Sars is referring to. Should be a no brainer as to who was lurking in the shadows "advising" the so called independent group in that debacle.

[Snakecharma]

Does any one know if the fair work act or whatever it is called these days requires the company to make the second offer a better one or can they actually go backwards?

[Normasars]

EAA. That was it for me, totally lost any respect for them from that point.

Exit strategy was devised from then.