VA Short/Medium haul EBA voted down
 

Today the EBA votes were released. 63% NO. Great result which sends a message to the company that we won't be railroaded into a half arsed agreement. :=

Damn right! If they thought they were gonna get away with a S%*t contract like that.... Not even a gold bar at sign on or a bag of silver for meal allowances...

Listen Spin, some of us have been flying long before you knew the meaning of sarcasm. If you bothered to read the contract you wouldn't start with the silly comments. I see you are from NZ, Im guessing you're still there and hence the attitude. I don't mean to be blunt but many issues still haven't been resolved in this contract and hence it got voted, or should I say shot, down.:D

Head wires.. crossed I think. Don't worry your mama read me every last word of that EBA. Wasn't bad... the contact either. ;) Lets just hope the boys back in NZ have the cahunas to throw theirs back. The kiwi contact was just missing the centre cardboard roll... ahhh bless my little cottonsofts.

Nice work guys and girls.

Listen Spin, learn how to spell contract and then you might know what one is when you get the chance to sign it :ugh:

Good luck with the kiwi thing.

So boys and girls, where to from here?

One of the biggest things to come out of this is the AFAP endorsing (yes they recommended a yes vote) a company document that the pilot body rejected! :ugh:
Alarm bells should be ringing to the AFAP members.

The facts of the results don't lie! and the facts indisputably say that the AFAP is NOT in tune with the pilot body.

One of the big problems has been that with the last EBA whenever there were clauses that could be open to creative interpretation the company always managed to twist them to their advantage even when clearly the spirit of the clause wasn't being adhered to. Without knowing the company's operational plans for the life of the new agreement ( re: bases, A/C types and fleet numbers, new routes, distribution of flying etc) there was just too much that could be open to such interpretation. However it seems that generally the reasons for voting no were many and varied (money, forced leave provisions etc. etc.) I am guessing that most of the Ejet fleet would have been for it but the bulk of the 73 and 330 guys would have been no. Let's wait for the final final final final offer!:}

It is irrelevant whether the Feds are in touch with their members or not. Clearly they did a deal with the Company to endorse the document. Just seems that in their haste to ingratiate themselves with the Company they forgot to create the illusion that they weren't expecting what the document contained.

In my view they clearly had prior info on the late inserts to the doc, probably because they had suggested them in a futile (or maybe not) attempt to attract more F/O members. Unfortunately such an ill thought out tactic has probably cost them a shed load of members in Long Haul, and given existing members pause to think what the hell they are up to.

Whether you like VIPA or not, it is for this exact reason that it was started and if they do nothing else, at least they have exposed the Feds yet again for being driven by self interest rather than the interest of the Virgin pilots.

Well either way, this will be an opportunity (critical I would say) for the two unions to actually work together. The feds can prove they listen to their members before the company, and vipa can prove they are more than hot air.

I live in hope, although history has me concerned...

Then the union has failed to properly sell the benefits of the deal. It is up to them to sell it if they have recommended it and answer any issues honestly.

Zippa bombarding their members every day for a week with texts saying vote no is not going to be liked by FWA

Yep the one thing you don't want to do is give management an incentive to look elsewhere for labour. With no scope there is no reason why they can't just start farming out flying to Alliance and/or Skywest.

Remember as far as ticketing goes a QF ticket = Qantaslink/National Jet/JetConnect/Mainline.

It amazes me that you morons need to come on here and sprout about the problems of the eba when we have our own private forum within in which we have constructive discussion......

There is no need to throw your toys in public like 14 year old school girls

No, don't stop! Please keep coming on here and throwing your toys in public.

It makes a nice change for us QANTAS guys to see we're not the only ones!:E

Naughty naughty VA. Imagine that, trying to shaft the pilots on their salaries! Where is the fun in that? That lacks flair don't you think?

Gobble, it wasn't about the salaries.

Well it is great to see the democratic process at work.

It will be interesting to see how many pilots have the stones to follow through with what comes next........

If history teaches us anything, pilots are generally self centered and lack conviction when the metal meets the meat. I guess we will see.

As far as AIPA/VIPA, I didn't know VA Pilots were Qantas Mainline / International Pilots.

I think there are quite a few red ties floating about if needed.

Ahhh, there it is, the modern managers achilles heel, the red tie. http://images.ibsrv.net/ibsrv/res/sr...s/badteeth.gif