VA Short/Medium haul EBA voted down
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dirty deeds says;
Gee you must be an absolute pleasure to fly with! No wonder they don't want to talk to you.
It looks like the AFAP have planted 'defenders' on this website as well as the VB Pilots website, immediately putting down anyone who dares to criticise their actions - whether right or wrong.
Fortunately most people are smart enough to see through it.
I have asked many drivers at VB why did you vote no, the answer has been the "wording". When I produce the document and ask which wording in specific, they cannot show me or even discuss which clauses they are concerned with. Funny stuff!
VB has gained 400 drivers since the last EBA, and sorry to say, they are easily led and industrially immature.
VB has gained 400 drivers since the last EBA, and sorry to say, they are easily led and industrially immature.
It looks like the AFAP have planted 'defenders' on this website as well as the VB Pilots website, immediately putting down anyone who dares to criticise their actions - whether right or wrong.
Fortunately most people are smart enough to see through it.
What no one can tell me from the company, Feds or VIPA, is what is going to happen now.
If it is a quick tweak of the words and a revote (which is what I am hearing is coming the VIPA corner) then that doesn't seem to indicate that the document was too far off the mark. In which case was it worth throwing back pay and pay rises away in order to tweak the words?
If it is longer what are the FO's who can't move from the Ejet to the 737 think if the company applies the current EBA as written?
My guess is with 3 other EBA and the res system changeover it will be the middle of next year before it gets up for another vote.
If it is business class travel I have sat in on JB's roadshows where he said no - I am not sure who is saying they want business class travel but won't it mean a fight with the CEO?
If it is more money then how much? With only a profit of 22 odd million you could turn that whole 22 million into a Pay increase for domestic pilots and still only achieve a 22 grand increase for each pilot (22000000/1000) which I would think the shareholders would want to see either reinvested into the business or eventually paid as a dividend.
I thought the pay rises in the document that was rejected were not unreasonable, can't remember the numbers but they were not along the lines of the 3% that fair work paid the QF guys.
But as a line pilot I get bombarded by all these mixed messages. I wish I knew where the real information is
If it is a quick tweak of the words and a revote (which is what I am hearing is coming the VIPA corner) then that doesn't seem to indicate that the document was too far off the mark. In which case was it worth throwing back pay and pay rises away in order to tweak the words?
If it is longer what are the FO's who can't move from the Ejet to the 737 think if the company applies the current EBA as written?
My guess is with 3 other EBA and the res system changeover it will be the middle of next year before it gets up for another vote.
If it is business class travel I have sat in on JB's roadshows where he said no - I am not sure who is saying they want business class travel but won't it mean a fight with the CEO?
If it is more money then how much? With only a profit of 22 odd million you could turn that whole 22 million into a Pay increase for domestic pilots and still only achieve a 22 grand increase for each pilot (22000000/1000) which I would think the shareholders would want to see either reinvested into the business or eventually paid as a dividend.
I thought the pay rises in the document that was rejected were not unreasonable, can't remember the numbers but they were not along the lines of the 3% that fair work paid the QF guys.
But as a line pilot I get bombarded by all these mixed messages. I wish I knew where the real information is
Nunc est bibendum
In which case was it worth throwing back pay and pay rises away in order to tweak the words?
I thought the pay rises in the document that was rejected were not unreasonable, can't remember the numbers but they were not along the lines of the 3% that fair work paid the QF guys.
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KEG,
FYI in "lower echelons" of the "Group", I can categorically confirm that the "Company" did indeed hold back the backpay after the first offer was unanimously voted down.
The @rseholes still owe me over 16 months of backpay from FY 05/06 IIRC.
Just clarifying a point
FYI in "lower echelons" of the "Group", I can categorically confirm that the "Company" did indeed hold back the backpay after the first offer was unanimously voted down.
The @rseholes still owe me over 16 months of backpay from FY 05/06 IIRC.
Just clarifying a point
Nunc est bibendum
Fair enough. Didn't know that. Should have voted 'no' the second time until they put back pay in!
Just for my own benefit, which work group did this affect?
Just for my own benefit, which work group did this affect?
Keg,"lower echelons" should be enough to figure out who Sars is referring to. Should be a no brainer as to who was lurking in the shadows "advising" the so called independent group in that debacle.
Last edited by Don Diego; 1st Oct 2012 at 21:26.