5th September QF Announcement
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The Morons of Mascot
These idiots Have been totally out thought,outmanaged and outflanked
Tim clarke has found his Alan Bond.
Qantas domestic is now the handservant of Emirates giving them 9mill frequent flyers.Once these FFs get a taste of Emirates they will never fly Qantas again.
Qantas will lose its high yield J and P class travellers and the LHR Qantas presence will disappear.It will over the next three years disappear from the international stage.
The Board and Exco of Qantas would have to be the greatest corporate buffoons in Aviation history
Tim clarke has found his Alan Bond.
Qantas domestic is now the handservant of Emirates giving them 9mill frequent flyers.Once these FFs get a taste of Emirates they will never fly Qantas again.
Qantas will lose its high yield J and P class travellers and the LHR Qantas presence will disappear.It will over the next three years disappear from the international stage.
The Board and Exco of Qantas would have to be the greatest corporate buffoons in Aviation history
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The qui pro quo should be EK off the Tasman to give QF a fighting chance. That would correspond to QF's capitulation in Europe. At the moment the Tasman is all capacity dumping and cargo. EK won't do that though. The master plan is not to save QF international! Poor old Sri Lankan airlines was and may still be owned by the EK juggernaut. It's now a shadow of it's former self.
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Leave Now.Avoid the Rush
The parasite(Jetstar) has killed the host and Emirates are picking over the entrails.Exco and the board have done themselves out of a job.
Anyone working for Qantas who wants to stay in the Australian Aviation industry should leave now.When the realization of what has just happened sets in there will be a rush for the door.Dont wait. Be the first one out!!
Anyone working for Qantas who wants to stay in the Australian Aviation industry should leave now.When the realization of what has just happened sets in there will be a rush for the door.Dont wait. Be the first one out!!
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I'm sure it sounds good to you Fish because it indirectly benefits you. QF on the other hand seem to have negotiated poorly by allowing EK to continue on the Tasman. Must be hot over there, you're spending a fair bit of time on prune.
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Well this was hardly a fair negotiation because frankly QF had nothing to bargain with when the whole world knew they were on the ropes and desperate for a deal.
In normal circumstances they could have used engaged staff, quality product, good metal and committed customers but this lot threw all of that out long ago.
They did what they did for short term survival and nothing more.
Now the pain will flow for everyone but the top ranks.
In normal circumstances they could have used engaged staff, quality product, good metal and committed customers but this lot threw all of that out long ago.
They did what they did for short term survival and nothing more.
Now the pain will flow for everyone but the top ranks.
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The qui pro quo should be EK off the Tasman to give QF a fighting chance.
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Why? Isn't there enough competition between, QF, VANZ, ANZ, JQ? QF and EK will now consult on services to NZ. Now that might struggle with the ACCC.
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Not only 787s in 2016, Joyce says he wants to deploy them from DXB to new points in Europe. I am expecting he means to other cities not yet served by EK but the reality is there wont be much left not served by EK metal by 2016.
[quoteSauce with that hat Sir?][/quote]
Heh heh, if it comes to it, I´l have BBQ sauce please. Lets give t 12 months though and see what routes QF have, if they have less International departures than they do now then I´l say you were right and I was wrong, no problem.
You´re right, I´m not very close to the whole situation, but I would like to see QF do well. There is so much emotional rhetoric in these posts that I do wonder if people here are stuck in a negative mindset about QF in general.
Can they not transfer the airframes from the old routes to new routes? Could they not bring some A330´s over from J star and run them to new destinations ? Could they not have done a deal behind the scenes for new airframes that are currently on the EK order sheet? Could they not delay the retirement of the older airframes? I am not sure what they could do but surely they have some options. I´m not talking about an increase in International flying, just maintaining the mass for a year or three until the 787 turns up. As for the Tasman, a deal could be struck whereby QF runs a daily freighter carrying both QF and EK freight,that way EK can reduce the number of flights to NZ and turn their aircraft for another 14 hour flight rather than do a 3 hour flight to NZ. I imagine EK will have to maintain a presence on the Tasman in order to satisfy the ACCC but it will be reduced in order to utilize the aircraft better.
I´m onto it. I´m going to fashion one out of noodles and use a poppadom for the brim.
Heh heh, if it comes to it, I´l have BBQ sauce please. Lets give t 12 months though and see what routes QF have, if they have less International departures than they do now then I´l say you were right and I was wrong, no problem.
with all due respect I'm not sure where you've been for the last few years, but this is not the "start" of anything. This has been going on for some time, with aircraft slowly but surely being ferried to the US for disposal.
I'm not sure what aircraft you believe they are going to run up to Asia!
Better start finding nice tasting hat.
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... if they have less International departures than they do now ...
Can they not transfer the airframes from the old routes to new routes? Could they not bring some A330´s over from J star and run them to new destinations ?
Could they not have done a deal behind the scenes for new airframes that are currently on the EK order sheet? Could they not delay the retirement of the older airframes? I am not sure what they could do but surely they have some options. I´m not talking about an increase in International flying, just maintaining the mass for a year or three until the 787 turns up.
As for the Tasman, a deal could be struck whereby QF runs a daily freighter carrying both QF and EK freight,that way EK can reduce the number of flights to NZ and turn their aircraft for another 14 hour flight rather than do a 3 hour flight to NZ. I imagine EK will have to maintain a presence on the Tasman in order to satisfy the ACCC but it will be reduced in order to utilize the aircraft better.
EK runs the A380 across the Tasman and gives away the fares in the process as it's cheaper than pay to leave it parked in SYD and cop it up the date by those who have perfected the art of doing so, MAp
You´re right, I´m not very close to the whole situation, but I would like to see QF do well. There is so much emotional rhetoric in these posts that I do wonder if people here are stuck in a negative mindset about QF in general.
Having said all the above (and in other posts), sonner or later even the biggest idiot would have to wake up to the fact that under the EK deal the best thing for everyone is for QF to get the 787s and run them up to Asia as a premium service. While the 747s get ditched for 777s to service out west. It would be a very good international fleet mix; A380, 777, 787 with perhaps a few A330s thrown in there too. BUT sadly that is just a dream common sense, as that's not the play as it's being called at the moment. Stay tuned however!
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I'm not going to attempt to predict the future, but I would like to bring up some points.
There's a lot of assumptions that Qantas passengers are all frequent flyers. Perhaps this is true in J class, but the vast majority of Y class passengers are overseas pax choosing to fly Qantas for various reasons. I don't believe this will change with this agreement.
I fly on the 380 and I have noticed big changes in the last six months in customer satisfaction, which I believe will only continue. At the start of the year we were pretty level with Emirates, but they have been falling steadily, and we have been growing. They now sit at 6/10 and Qantas are back up to 7.9/10. Our promoter scores are increasing steadily also, we have consistently the best results in 6 years, and with more training by the end of the year, I can only see this increasing.
As the DBX sector will be a 4 day pattern for cabin crew, we will need a large amount of new crew to fill the gap. This is good news for employment. I do believe the AKL base is on borrowed time, and this will also free up flying for Oz based cabin crew.
I also think that the 380 is the wrong aircraft to send to HKG and I wouldn't be surprised if it changes back to SIN or perhaps DFW.
There's a lot of derision about the inequality of this agreement, but until we see the breakdown of how many seats we get to sell on EK flights, I think it's pretty level at the moment, conspiracy theories aside. ( which may well come to fruition!)
There's a lot of assumptions that Qantas passengers are all frequent flyers. Perhaps this is true in J class, but the vast majority of Y class passengers are overseas pax choosing to fly Qantas for various reasons. I don't believe this will change with this agreement.
I fly on the 380 and I have noticed big changes in the last six months in customer satisfaction, which I believe will only continue. At the start of the year we were pretty level with Emirates, but they have been falling steadily, and we have been growing. They now sit at 6/10 and Qantas are back up to 7.9/10. Our promoter scores are increasing steadily also, we have consistently the best results in 6 years, and with more training by the end of the year, I can only see this increasing.
As the DBX sector will be a 4 day pattern for cabin crew, we will need a large amount of new crew to fill the gap. This is good news for employment. I do believe the AKL base is on borrowed time, and this will also free up flying for Oz based cabin crew.
I also think that the 380 is the wrong aircraft to send to HKG and I wouldn't be surprised if it changes back to SIN or perhaps DFW.
There's a lot of derision about the inequality of this agreement, but until we see the breakdown of how many seats we get to sell on EK flights, I think it's pretty level at the moment, conspiracy theories aside. ( which may well come to fruition!)
What will be interesting is whether the malaise that appears to be effecting service levels/reputation with Qantas can be reversed.
Seven or eight years ago Qantas was ranked by Skytrax as the third best airline in the world.
Can someone let us know where we rank now........
Seven or eight years ago Qantas was ranked by Skytrax as the third best airline in the world.
Can someone let us know where we rank now........
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The Skytrax awards for best airline is a one off vote. I prefer to read the flight reviews which give an actual indication of dis/satisfaction.
Emirates has fallen as much as Qantas in the best airline award.
Emirates has fallen as much as Qantas in the best airline award.
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I don't follow? I can't improve my service based on a one off vote. However, when I read negative, written criticism that is specific, I can understand the bigger picture.
The passengers that bother to write a review have generally had an exceptional experience or a terrible one. Those mean more to me than a vote cast because they've received a text from their travel agent telling them to vote.
I can't please everyone, although I try, and I can't change the future, but for the first time in 4 years I feel like my $37 000/ year salary is safe for a few more years!
The passengers that bother to write a review have generally had an exceptional experience or a terrible one. Those mean more to me than a vote cast because they've received a text from their travel agent telling them to vote.
I can't please everyone, although I try, and I can't change the future, but for the first time in 4 years I feel like my $37 000/ year salary is safe for a few more years!