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Old 11th Sep 2012, 05:28
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Having read the latest news on Qantas' submission to the ACCC. In which Qantas will be forced to become a virtual airline & scale back on international routes.

AJ has proved himself to be more than a one trick pony.

He's already put one over FWA by grounding the airline & triggering FWA to suspend PIA.

Now he's threatening vapourising the International network if the ACCC fails to approve the EK tie up.
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Old 11th Sep 2012, 05:37
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Yeah, I agree. Extort the Government and blackmail FWA using passengers for ransom. Now the same with ACCC. How can this crook still be going?
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Old 11th Sep 2012, 08:08
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Maybe AJ wants to ground the airline again,ACCC must be nervous,don't worry Alan u will get ur wishes.
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Old 11th Sep 2012, 09:29
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QF23 to BKK

What about QF23, the A330 to BKK. many of these people stop over in Thailand then connect code share to BA0010 to London. I wonder if this will be scraped as well?

Anyone have an opinion?
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Old 11th Sep 2012, 09:43
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I think I remember someone suggesting BKK to jetstar around the end of the year.

A free kick for Thai
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Old 11th Sep 2012, 10:05
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What about QF23, the A330 to BKK. many of these people stop over in Thailand then connect code share to BA0010 to London. I wonder if this will be scraped as well?

Anyone have an opinion?
BKK - LHR via Dubai on Emirates A380. An extra sector compared to BA or Thai direct but if joining from a stop over in Bangkok it will only be a two sector journey rather than three, and if the price is right.....
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Old 11th Sep 2012, 10:58
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qantas admits int ops in "terminal decline" - www.thebull.com.au

This isn't the CEO of a publicly listed company applying a not so subtle pressure to the regulator (ACCC) to approve the application for the code share is it? I hope the ACCC do plenty of due dilligence here, Qantas was doing just fine prior to a certain former CEO and his short sighted management style came along and filleted the company because he could. The code share is the only hope I think, but it should be approved on its merits, not because the CEO say so! The arrogance of the man
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Old 11th Sep 2012, 12:36
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The last few QF23/24's I did there were no passengers availing themselves of the BA connection north or southbound. Passengers all made alternative arrangements to get to London.
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Old 11th Sep 2012, 20:45
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Its good news for those of us here in Dubai, it probably means more visits from our friends working for QF. Also I am sure many QF staff will have friends in Dubai they can stay with, rather than paying 100's of dollars for a hotel in SIN if the loads are a bit heavy.

Not sure about the extra super grand poobah 380 movements here though, every time I see one fly overhead the golf course I run for cover incase bits fall off the wing...

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Old 12th Sep 2012, 06:50
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Not sure about the extra super grand poobah 380 movements here though, every time I see one fly overhead the golf course I run for cover incase bits fall off the wing...
Haha Scandi, you need to avoid hitting those 60 degree wedges when it goes over....it's probably been the root cause of all the wing problems
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Old 12th Sep 2012, 09:10
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Submissions to ACCC can be viewed here -

Qantas Airways Limited & Emirates - Authorisations - A91332 & A91333
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Old 12th Sep 2012, 09:28
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I like this from the Qantas submission -


Emirates is a fully commercial, unsubsidised business which is independently managed and audited.
But I thought they go their fuel for nothing?
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Old 12th Sep 2012, 10:23
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Hope everyone saw these gems in the ACCC submission.

-harmonising IT systems;
-joint airport facilities;
-potentially joint offices for sales activities;
-potentially other aspects of operations including ground handling, catering, joint procurement and flight operations.

Doesn't leave much left except Executive ranks.
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But I thought they go their fuel for nothing?
Every time they fill up the 380 in sydney, for example, it's free?!

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Old 12th Sep 2012, 11:18
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Hang on

Hang on they are already advertising a product for sale which they don't have to sell
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Old 12th Sep 2012, 12:44
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-harmonising IT systems;
-joint airport facilities;
-potentially joint offices for sales activities;
-potentially other aspects of operations including ground handling, catering, joint procurement and flight operations.
They all seem like logical items to me, why would they double up on any of these items when they can share and get it cheaper?

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Old 12th Sep 2012, 13:06
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They all seem like logical items to me, why would they double up on any of these items when they can share and get it cheaper?
I suppose it is a bit like Jetstar using the resources of the mother ship, Qantas.. many believe J* get it for free rather than just sharing..

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Old 12th Sep 2012, 18:29
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Folly

Emirates is a fully commercial, unsubsidised business which
is independently managed and audited.
How will this work with QF? (a) QF is not managed and (b) QF has scaled back on it's internal audit program, particularly of international operations around the globe, to save money.
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Old 13th Sep 2012, 11:38
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Jitconnect could have their pilots work for free and the operation would still lose money! Reason being is that the aircraft utilization is way too low. Of course the plan was to have Jitconnect pilots fly over the ditch and then do some domestic australian flying but this has been hit on the head by Canberra. Bottom line, you have to fly these new NG's to make any money and it doesn't matter what the crew get paid!!! Bringing the NZ NG's back to the motherland will be a big plus and the old classics will get retired sooner!!
Surprised by the comment that the JetConnect aircraft utilization is too low. Don't these aircraft operate 3 or 4 trans tasman sectors a day, so 9-13 hours a day which is pretty good. The problem is the aircraft they are competing against fly some red-eyes upto the islands for some extra cash.
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