QF Shares hit $1.00 Discuss
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I would wager that any loss on any routes, would be in direct response to one star being the only QF group option on that route.
Me and mine will not fly one star,,,,,,,,,,ever.
Me and mine will not fly one star,,,,,,,,,,ever.
Second Officers earning over $180,000? And people here say there is no need to reduce Qantas's legacy costs?
What say you.
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I swear, there are more company paid trolls in this thread than legitimate PPRuNers.
Or am I just paranoid? Are there people out there with no ulterior motive, genuinely defending the dumbassery coming from Q management?!?
Not only defending it, but blaming the predictable consequences of it on the (remaining) over-paid, under-worked, inefficient staff?
Really?!?
Years of hacking and slashing with reckless abandonment, Joyce is pretty much at war with his own staff, and when the profit forecast is downgraded, it is all the fault of dis-engaged cabin crew and overpaid pilots?
Dixon shuts down the engine shop, and how many in-flight shutdowns have happened since then? Clearly, he didn't go far enough! Maybe we need to slash more maintenance until we get it right.
Vision?!? What the...?
What vision? AJ's vision is Ryanair, that is the goal. Everything cut to the bone, morale in the dustbin and pilots working as contractors with questionable tax arrangements. Seems to work ok for Ryan and should continue to appeal to that portion of the public that considers nothing but price.
Or maybe Nero's vision? Let the whole thing burn and rebuild it as a monument to himself? Or let his mates buy the fire-damaged brand at a discount price?
"To be sure, International (now conveniently a separate entity) is dragging us all down! We'll all be rooned if someone doesn't take it off our hands! Oh! Who's that at the door? Oh hello, Geoff! What brings you here?"
And some of ya'll think this thing is headed in a good direction?
I don't think so.
Or am I just paranoid? Are there people out there with no ulterior motive, genuinely defending the dumbassery coming from Q management?!?
Not only defending it, but blaming the predictable consequences of it on the (remaining) over-paid, under-worked, inefficient staff?
Really?!?
Years of hacking and slashing with reckless abandonment, Joyce is pretty much at war with his own staff, and when the profit forecast is downgraded, it is all the fault of dis-engaged cabin crew and overpaid pilots?
Dixon shuts down the engine shop, and how many in-flight shutdowns have happened since then? Clearly, he didn't go far enough! Maybe we need to slash more maintenance until we get it right.
Vision?!? What the...?
What vision? AJ's vision is Ryanair, that is the goal. Everything cut to the bone, morale in the dustbin and pilots working as contractors with questionable tax arrangements. Seems to work ok for Ryan and should continue to appeal to that portion of the public that considers nothing but price.
Or maybe Nero's vision? Let the whole thing burn and rebuild it as a monument to himself? Or let his mates buy the fire-damaged brand at a discount price?
"To be sure, International (now conveniently a separate entity) is dragging us all down! We'll all be rooned if someone doesn't take it off our hands! Oh! Who's that at the door? Oh hello, Geoff! What brings you here?"
And some of ya'll think this thing is headed in a good direction?
I don't think so.
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Well after the spray Sheldon gave Joyce and Clifford on Sky Agenda tonight they would have been choking on their lobster dinners. Expect hell to break lose on the dawn after that little number, but what Sheldon said made a lot of sense, and there will be shareholders getting very cold feet, very cold feet indeed, and some journo's might just start to question if the staff have a point, that there is indeed something not quite right.
short flights long nights
Sorry, as I am monitoring this from O/S, who is Sheldon?
OK Google is my freind, just answered my own question.
OK Google is my freind, just answered my own question.
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And this is proved with more than 1 pilot every week leaving QF for anywhere else - including driving coal trains because they are simply sick of the bill****...
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NOIP, the 180k figure was supplied by 'crystalballwannabe' in post number 56 of this thread.
"I have numerous S/O mates that fIle large income tax returns i.e 180G and have weeks, even months not working in the last 3 years"
But I suppose that inefficiency is acceptable to you because they are not managers?
"I have numerous S/O mates that fIle large income tax returns i.e 180G and have weeks, even months not working in the last 3 years"
But I suppose that inefficiency is acceptable to you because they are not managers?
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Well after the spray Sheldon gave Joyce and Clifford on Sky Agenda tonight
and here it is....
Video: Australian Agenda, part 2
The Green Goblin.
You may be surprised to learn both Airbus and Boeing build ultra long range aircraft as per the current definition.
In the case of the Airbus it (A340-500) has not been been successful due to the payload/range/fuel chart. SQ are the only ultra long range operator (SIN-JFK-SIN) with 100 J class seats.
The B777-200LR Worldliner can carry 300 PAX LHR-SYD or LHR-MEL nonstop in a 3 class configuration. Westbound with a full load a technical stop could be in either PER or DRW for fuel and crew change.
I would see this service with First, Business and Premium Economy Pax as the only way QF could compete with the Middle East carriers. In the event of hostilities in the Middle East or a swing away by Pax from the Muslim Middle East carriers QF would be in a box position.
OMG, I have forgotten one thing. Boeing offered to build a 'special' QF B777-200LR model a number of years ago for SYD-LHR using some B787 technology such as B787 shadeless windows etc etc but it was turned down as old technology.
(Boeing built the B747-400ER especially for QF and who are the only operator of the model)
You may be surprised to learn both Airbus and Boeing build ultra long range aircraft as per the current definition.
In the case of the Airbus it (A340-500) has not been been successful due to the payload/range/fuel chart. SQ are the only ultra long range operator (SIN-JFK-SIN) with 100 J class seats.
The B777-200LR Worldliner can carry 300 PAX LHR-SYD or LHR-MEL nonstop in a 3 class configuration. Westbound with a full load a technical stop could be in either PER or DRW for fuel and crew change.
I would see this service with First, Business and Premium Economy Pax as the only way QF could compete with the Middle East carriers. In the event of hostilities in the Middle East or a swing away by Pax from the Muslim Middle East carriers QF would be in a box position.
OMG, I have forgotten one thing. Boeing offered to build a 'special' QF B777-200LR model a number of years ago for SYD-LHR using some B787 technology such as B787 shadeless windows etc etc but it was turned down as old technology.
(Boeing built the B747-400ER especially for QF and who are the only operator of the model)
Interesting. EK 772LRs have 266 seats in a 3 class config and that's with 10 across in Y class. Its the only aircraft in the fleet to make less money than the 345 as it has only 8 first class seats in stead of of the 345s 12 (258 seats total on the 345).
Would be a bit of a squeeze with 300 on board wouldn't it?
The Don
Would be a bit of a squeeze with 300 on board wouldn't it?
The Don
The Don.
I agree 300 would be tight and we must not forget EK have 7 abreast in Business. Even though Boeing suggest up to 301 in 3 class the presentation to QF without garden variety economy was 246 seats.
I agree 300 would be tight and we must not forget EK have 7 abreast in Business. Even though Boeing suggest up to 301 in 3 class the presentation to QF without garden variety economy was 246 seats.
Dr Dre. Yes. For a start there are numbers of guys on lwop doing many different things - and remains to be seen how many return. Most it would seem are simply off to the sandpit but particularly S/O's are the ones taking up opportunities with their previous skill sets - building, doctoring, engineering etc. I understand the train driving example is/was surprising not because it is reputed to have happened but because it was from a surprisingly well positioned pilot. What is indisputable is that morale is atrocious, most crew are hoping there are 5 years left before end game, exit strategies are discussed on every flight deck and galley 'I'm lucky, I only have 2 years to go - but what are you doing?' Since the grounding I cannot tell you how many times that has come up. What is so upsetting is the deliberate destruction. You have probably the most loyal and professional group of people it is possible to get who have been undermined at every possible turn. If you are in any doubt as to my words then look no further than the industry wide survey being 'advertised' on this site. I used the term 'criminally negligent' earlier. The incompetence is imho of that level. I cannot think of any company I have ever read of where senior management is so predictably acting against the interests of the very thing that is paying their wage. It is such a totally unprecedented situation that the tired and utterly incorrect line of it being 'the unions' fault is so easily swallowed. You are witnessing catastrophic failure by grossly incompetent fools. There is no other possible explanation. The only 'excuse' for this deliberate destruction is possibly the cheapening of the company to the point 'mates' of those in charge cam buy it in a quasi LBO scenario. Whilst that is plausible and I believed it to be true for some time, due to the ongoing incompetence and lunatic announcements I am beginning to be convinced the only answer is total incompetence - I am unconvinced these guys are bright enough to have any plan at all. They just do not have the first clue about anything to do with aviation..
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For the benefit of some people here, I actually have an MBA and I achieved it while still working for Ansett.
An MBA is a "licence to learn" the art of management, it is NOT a "licence to manage".
I have proved in my own career that there is NO SUBSTITUTE FOR HANDS ON EXPERIENCE AT THE COAL FACE. An MBA will complement that experience and allow you to build on it.
The idea that once you have an MBA you can manage anything is completely and utterly false.
....And I got lectured by Saint Margaret Jackson about what a wonderful example of MBA success she was at least every Six months. Stupid +++++.
An MBA is a "licence to learn" the art of management, it is NOT a "licence to manage".
I have proved in my own career that there is NO SUBSTITUTE FOR HANDS ON EXPERIENCE AT THE COAL FACE. An MBA will complement that experience and allow you to build on it.
The idea that once you have an MBA you can manage anything is completely and utterly false.
....And I got lectured by Saint Margaret Jackson about what a wonderful example of MBA success she was at least every Six months. Stupid +++++.
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Great post v-jet. I don't normally offer back slapping but that provides a great insight in to what is going on amongst flight crew.
Sunfish, you invalidate your posts with that last comment. It's inappropriate.
Sunfish, you invalidate your posts with that last comment. It's inappropriate.
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I think Sunfish is still smarting from the amount Jackson was going to add to her bank account when she and Dixon had flogged QF. I would not use that word about any woman, but Jackson deserves our utter comtempt, for her part in the destruction of QF. Who can blame Sunfish?
I have no problem with contempt - it's a sentiment I share. I do have a problem with the way it's expressed. It lowers the tone of his posts to the point that all anyone will take away is the last word and adds to the perception that many males in the industry are misogynists. The Claire Harvey article in the Tele a couple of years ago and the responses to it should act as a warning.
As an MBA graduate and presumably a former manager himself he should know better.
Sunfish often adds much of value but not here.
As an MBA graduate and presumably a former manager himself he should know better.
Sunfish often adds much of value but not here.
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On a brighter note in the SMH today Adele Ferguson is calling for a quick fix for QF. Thank God she thinks along my line, that is, QF is the National Carrier, it is unthinkable that this airline should ever go out of business, and it MUST be fixed for the sake of the country for the sake of tourism. I'll drink to that.