Aviation Survey Discussion

[ALAEA Fed Sec]

The ALAEA are not doing the survey for profit. I can write a question as quickly as some boffin from Tower Watson. Would be interesting if we starting providing the service for free to all Aviation companies and our friends in other unions did it in their industries.

It would be just like dumping cheap seats on already busy routes.

[Jethro Gibbs]

Meanwhile around 500 are losing there job.

[ALAEA Fed Sec]

We are tackling the immediate problem but I think it equally as important to attack the cause.

[ejectx3]

Every qf staff member is behind you steve

[ALAEA Fed Sec]

Thnx Ej. Just another thing Jethro and all. The ALAEA is a team. 10 staff, 20 Executive members and 100 Reps. It just happens to be that one posts openly here under his title. It doesn't mean that I do everything myself and I am sometimes unfairly given credit for works not of my own. We can handle more than one issue at once.

Knowing staff are behind what we do is great. I think the number one issue that is driving Qantas down is poor employee engagement. A tardy cabin interior can be overcome by warm and friendly smile. A completely engagaed pilot will look for ways to save fuel. Wage increases are less important for those who love going to work and I know LAMEs would allow change if they weren't treated like fools by the clowns running that part of the business.

[Shed Dog Tosser]

With the share price where it is, I doubt ALEA's alleged breach of copyright and alleged theft of intellectual property will be high on the "To Do" list.

The present share price,,,,,,,,,,, you just couldn't invent a joke that funny.

[ejectx3]

Sadly that's probably exactly what Elaine and the board are all concentrating on.... The survey

[ALAEA Fed Sec]

You know what they say - the truth will set you free.

Let's hope the truth in this case will set a few of them free.

[Mstr Caution]

Legal Defence:

If the same questions were asked of the same employee group the result would be the same or similar.

As the results from the same employee group differ significantly, the questioned asked and or the methods used to tabulate results must be DIFFERENT to the tecnnique & copyrighted system used by Tower Watson.

MC

[Armchairflyer]

If the same questions were asked of the same employee group the result would be the same or similar.

Actually they might be quite different, depending on, e.g., the respondents, a time lag between surveys, and the psychometric properties of the questionnaire. However, as pointed out already it might be possible to find very similar items not only in other surveys but in academic journals, too, in which case AFAIK one is allowed to use them freely for non-commercial purposes (as long as the source is cited correctly).

Sorry for the interjection from the other side of the globe, in doubt just disregard especially since IANAL (been in the quantitative social sciences for several years now, though, including developing and analyzing employee surveys for a consulting firm. If you feel I might be of any help, feel free to PM me).

All the best
ACF

[Engineer_aus]

Steve, there is a whole department now on media and social media purely for this type of thing. So yes the big rat does read this.

[ALAEA Fed Sec]

I think they call it the crisis centre. Boy Qantas know how to waste money.

This survey however is not about Qantas. Its about our industry. I think someone suggested earlier that it will come t nothing. The idea is bigger than that. Only unions are placed to measure engagement across any particular industry. Profitibility is directly related to employee engagement. Certain companies will want it hidden whilst others know they will score well.

If we do this every year and release the results as wide and professionally as possible, the ones who score low will have to lift their marks. In turn employees would need to be treated better and that is somethng that will make the lives of workers better.

[unionist1974]

Great stolen survey , pity you could not prevent Tulla closing .

[Mr Qantas]

This is just rubish the numbers are clearly made up by a dirty union trying to trick people to its lies. I may be retired but i still go to reunons with my former work mates and yes the staff are happy becase they have told me. Qantas has done the staff and it was a good result if you look at these dificult times the union survey isnt even sanctioned by Qantas.

[600ft-lb]

Well Mr Qantas you've sold me. That anecdotal evidence was really enlightening. If only there were a way to integrate that vital Qantas evidence into this industry survey...

[jaded boiler]

Mr Qantas it might be prudent to take one of your reminyls before posting. And please learn to spell.

[AEROMEDIC]

Mr Qantas

Look, I am also retired, and my old work mates are telling me how they struggle to understand what Alan Joyce is doing to their company. He seems hellbent on turning Qantas into a low cost carrier no matter what. Anyone would think that he is getting a huge bonus to do so.
No one that I have spoken to (and it's a lot) has anything good to say about this management or their ability to manage. I am not a shareholder, but if I were, I would be most unhappy about the share price right now.
With Joyce and Clifford's recent meteoric pay rise, what are their KPI's ???

[ejectx3]

I'd bet my left nut, Every pilot, and every engineer and every single cabin crew member despise the way Qantas has been left to rot by this lot.

[avionicame]

I'd bet my left nut, Every pilot, and every engineer and every single cabin crew member despise the way Qantas has been left to rot by this lot.

Here here!

[ALAEA Fed Sec]

I haven't releaased the results of one question yet but does anyone want to guess the answer? That is how many are in favour.

I have the full trust in the people running my company.

Qantas, Virgin, Alliance.