Aviation Survey Discussion
 

I suspect the mods would like discussion over the survey posted on a different thread so I have started this one up. Feel free to let me know how you feel about it, what we should do with the results or how we could make it better.

I will keep the actual data on the stickied thread.

cheers
Steve

Steve,

I was very interested in this but of course cannot be part of it now as I am no longer employed in the Industry.

I realise that you can not change it now, and probably would not anyway on my advice ;) , however going by the qustions and answers you have posted here I do not think it is ever a good idea with these things to ask questions in the negative, like from memory question 9 you have posted. :ok:

I would naturally agree with this theory, however, this one is similar to the words used by many big companies for employee engagement surveys.

In practice it is like this. You have 50 odd questions. The agree option that appears on top is generally agreement with what the company is doing. If the question read -

There are substantial obstacles at work to doing my job well

Then the agree button gives an inverse answer to those questions appearing in the same section. It makes the survey flow better and reduces mistakes and confusion.

Okay, it is your survey......... :ok:

I would not trust the answers to any survey that asks negative questions, too much room for confusion and errors.

Maybe I take things too literally, but it is often the same in general conversation nowadays.

You said you basically agree with me, however if I was to ask you.......

Steve, do you not agree with what I said?

Maybe not you but most people would probably answer something like .......

Yes of course.

Which literally means you do NOT agree.

All in context buddy.

Fed Sec,
I think we all know how the results will pan out. My only question is what is to stop people doing the survey more than once?
I'm sure Wirthless will roll that one out as some sort of defence, not that they give a s*(t about the public, nor their perception.

You can't because it is linked to your IP address. Can only do once.

Interesting though because the internal Qantas one could be filled out as many times as you liked.

Fed Sec, a question.

I didn't do the QF survey, never have, but are the questions in your survey a cut & paste from the QF survey or are the questions composed by you and/or the ALAEA think tank?

Couldn't you do it on two different computers though? Or a PC and a phone?

I'm not trying to be obstructive (or encourage cheating) but as H&H said, they're probably going to be ducking and weaving.

Interesting re the Qantas survey's multiple response option.

Most of the questions are word for word from the qf survey.

Thanks Brissy, I thought as much.
That being the case how can airsupport suggest that Fed Sec is posting "negative" questions when these questions have originated from the QF survey?

I never suggested that, and Steve knows that, in fact he agreed with me that it would be better NOT to have any questions asked in the negative, but as he explained (and I did not know at the time) he is basically using questions from the Employer which are biased.

It is just they are asked in the negative, a silly idea in a survey, unless you are trying to confuse people.

It is like if I was to ask you .....................

Do you like PPRuNe ???

That is much safer, simpler and more likely to get the correct response than if I ask you...................

Do you not like PPRuNe ???

With a yes or no answer is confusing.



Is a whole lot easier and as about as confusing as any of the questions get.

Most questions are very close to QF but they are written in a generic way so they become relevant for all airline employees. Some questions in this survey would not have been asked by Qantas.

Two computers may allow you to answer twice so long as they weren't in the same location. Pretty long measures to take though if you wanted to alter the result. Do we think someone is madly driving around Sydney as we speak asking friends if he can borrow their computer for a bit?

If they thought it may adversly affect their precious performance bonus, then yes

Darn, he's onto me. :suspect::}
Seriously, I think caneworm has a point. Anyway, good luck with your survey, glad you've gotten a decent turn out.

Firstly the survey is a terrific idea. I would have loved the ability to save the QF survey answers so there could be no lying and obfuscation.

The problem of people of doing the survey twice is a relatively minor problem compared to the inevitable wirthless responses which will b along the lines of:

1) There are no controls on 3rd party surveys
2) The people answering them have an axe to grind
3) The results in no way represent the responses we received in our standard surveys which are officially monitored and carried out by reputable firms every 2 years.
4) We believe it is extremely irresponsible for staff to be commenting publicly on such matters and view this most seriously...

etc etc etc.

For myself I filled out the Qf survey and because my previous responses clearly left some room for doubt, this time the only way they could have discounted the results or misread them was if they automatically removed any 'very-anti' replies. I doubt they would have allowed anything like what I wrote to get to the CEO (and as I didn't have police turn up I assume the responses were indeed anonymous) but I was of the opinion that someone must have read my responses and even if one other person outside the company read what I wrote then that one person may realise there is more to the Qf 'story' than that which is spat out by the vile group that are ruining the place.

Good luck with it all Steve...

No need if you know what you are doing. ;)

You simply drive around Sydney looking for unprotected WIFI modems. :ok:

And of course participating more than once can be done by both sides, so possibly cancel out and less significant. anyway it it will be interesting to watch.

Steve, do you want responses from GA people, or just the airline, I understand that the information you are looking for is more relevant to airline, but was just wondering?

The idea was always to share this information. It's mostly so airline staff can feel normal because they like or dislike what their company is doing. If you aren't happy at work, you don't need to feel alone and certainly should not be subject to lies and propoganda from a management team telling you otherwise.

The people who own airlines should also have this information so they can gauge in one sense how their appointees at board and CEO level are doing. Imagine if they "trusted" the rhetoric from press releases and briefings coming out of the internal surveys without seeing the figures?

If it is shared with one person, it is public information. I want you all to see these results and for that to happen, the media will see it. They may be parasites and some of them are less ethical than others but they will comment on this and I'd rather be talking about something I have been monitoring and co-ordinating than just reading about airlines who want to discredit it.