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Old 28th May 2012, 10:36
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Old 28th May 2012, 10:58
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Steve, do you want responses from GA people, or just the airline, I understand that the information you are looking for is more relevant to airline, but was just wondering?
Absolutely. I've listed about the 10 top companies to select as a check box and I've been just as interested in their progress as the bigger 3. Beyond that there are too many smaller operators to split off by name but there has been a large response from the "other" category.

Getting good feedback from places like Alliance, Skywest and CHC choppers.
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Old 28th May 2012, 22:10
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Do the survey.

ALEA - Every morning I wake early, eager to get stuck into what I have on for the day. It's hard not to when you love your job.
The survey is great tool, it's like a gyroscope; once it's spun up and stable, there are lots of useful applications available for folks who can nut them out.

1000 is the magic number, I hope everyone who can participate does and tells their mates.


Well done that man.
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1300 and rising.
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Old 28th May 2012, 23:48
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Well done Steve.....looks like you are getting a better participation rate than QF
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I'm an other but not from NZ or Aust , you will be getting responses from Aussies from all over !
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There may be a few but even some of the smaller cities in Australia that are listed have not had one response.

The Kiwi answers may have the odd Aussie from a smaller port included but there are quite a number on this list so it shouldn't be more than 5% out.
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Old 29th May 2012, 00:52
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seems to be a small response from flight attendants so far. maybe if a link was posted to the crew trip swap web sites numbers from this group reponses would substantially increase. i haven't been on the sites for a number of years but maybe someone could post on them the link to the survey. one website is an internal qantas trip swap site and another popular one is yahoo trip swaps. sorry i don't have any more info for you.

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This is very good stuff so well done Steve.

Don't suppose you have thought to engage mainstream press on a day the Rat has some major announcement have you??It would be a touch ironic given their behaviour in recent times re major redundancies.

Don't expect you to signal the future here, but hope there is a smile on your face and that will be enough.

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Old 29th May 2012, 07:38
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seems to be a small response from flight attendants so far
If any of you have a means to pass on the link please do so.


Don't suppose you have thought to engage mainstream press on a day the Rat has some major announcement have you??
Managing press is not the favourite part of my job. It can happen any time of any day, usually inconviniently. I wouldn't talk about this survey on a day when we should be talking about another issue. We haven't even decided if when and where we would discuss it.
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Old 29th May 2012, 09:04
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hope this is useful
more crew are on this second list if you can get in. maybe a crew member who uses these sites could PM steve or post the survey info on the websites for a week. should get the attention of a few crew. steve, try contacting the FAAA union and get them to do a bulk email to all the membership. this would get the attention of thousands of crew

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Thnx mate. Have emailed the FAAA Dom and Int. Can't speak for them but hope they will forward the link.

Not sure how to use the crew swap site if anyone can help.
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You simply drive around Sydney looking for unprotected WIFI modems
You can change your IP quite easily from your own armchair if your network is set-up right. But why bother, I am confident that if every-one takes the survey just once then the real truth will emerge.

My only worry are the company stooges that will illegitimately try to bump up the bad results.
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NEng - My only worry are the company stooges that will illegitimately try to bump up the bad results.
We got a bit of that, it's not a problem if your IT guys/gals are switched on. You can screen effectively.

Damn all Cane toads, Luddites and spoilers; in the end the truth, however spun, will out. Keep on rockin'; imagine flying about without grown up help.

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Old 29th May 2012, 12:48
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Olivia is busy filling out the survey pro management from Internet cafes all over Sydney ....
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Olivia is busy filling out the survey pro management from Internet cafes all over Sydney ....
I wonder what her level of engagement will be when she fills it out?
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Old 29th May 2012, 22:17
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You can change your IP quite easily from your own armchair if your network is set-up right. But why bother, I am confident that if every-one takes the survey just once then the real truth will emerge.

My only worry are the company stooges that will illegitimately try to bump up the bad results.
Surveymonkey is a little more sophisticated than that. It is not foolproof but certainly a lot more difficult to beat than merely changing IP addresses from the same computer.

From the numbers Steve is getting, any corruption of the results by duplicate or multiple entries will probably be fairly insignificant.

But to be really significant and truly indicative of the Australian airline industry I suspect he needs at least 5% to 10% of all airline emplyees and that may mean a minimum around 3,000 to 6,000 responses, spread across all airlines, all industry vocations, not just pilots and engineers.

The final results may require professional analysis and publication to get the populace, including politicians and public servants, to sit up and listen?
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Old 30th May 2012, 01:01
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So keep submitting all. We are at 1550 responses in three days. They are starting to come in slower but I think some other unions may promote it via their email lists shortly.
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Any plans in sending this off to the ASU? Few thousand people that could possibly complete it.
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