QANTAS - WHERE TO NOW?
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Each one to their own. This says it all. Unions are about standing together. In case you weren't aware
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Remember October 2011 when QANTAS AIRLINES WAS SHUT DOWN! Who stopped them? Who won that battle in the end?
this battle is still raging. Be nice if you were on our side. You could start by ending your pessimism on here.
Each one to their own. This says it all. Unions are about standing together. In case you weren't aware
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Remember October 2011 when QANTAS AIRLINES WAS SHUT DOWN! Who stopped them? Who won that battle in the end?
this battle is still raging. Be nice if you were on our side. You could start by ending your pessimism on here.
I am on our side of the fence and would like to see an end to the current reigme in control of QANTAS, but unless there is some power that can remove them, they will achieve their end. I won't be holding my breath for CASA or the government to do anything, as they are impotent bodies when it comes to corporations like QANTAS.
Pessimism? Seeing the history of QANTAS being wound up over the last few years doesn't bode well for what the future holds. We are at best, about 50% of what we were just seven years ago. Just stating the facts.
No one has to agree with what I've got to say, but that's my view, just like everyone else has one and expresses it.
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We are at best, about 50% of what we were just seven years ago. Just stating the facts.
2005 - 1850 Qantas LAMEs
2012 - 1500 Qantas LAMEs
It's not all that bad. If you have to, get angry, not negative.
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And the workers are the ones taking heavy Casualties .
Would you rather just cop it in the neck. MOD would have been in 10 years ago if the Domestic LAMEs didn't stand as one. By now most of us would not have a job.
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Would you rather just cop it in the neck
And do not see anyway of it being stopped .
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Avalon workers gave up their right to take Industrial Action when they signed up to a new EBA one year early. The ALAEA advised Forstaff Employees not to, the AWU and management promoted a yes vote. The workers signed their death warrants by accepting that Agreement. We made it clear at the time.
It may be stopped, at least for a while if CASA intervene in Bne. Looks like they don't have enough staff and work may need to be moved.
It may be stopped, at least for a while if CASA intervene in Bne. Looks like they don't have enough staff and work may need to be moved.
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Is this the reason they're so keen to get 100 AME's up to BNE HY from SYD?
There has been talk from Mgmnt about a 'major announcement' in relation to BNE.
Is this the reason they're so keen to get 100 AME's up to BNE HY from SYD?
There has been talk from Mgmnt about a 'major announcement' in relation to BNE.
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We are at best, about 50% of what we were just seven years ago. Just stating the facts.
2005 - 1850 Qantas LAMEs
2012 - 1500 Qantas LAMEs
It's not all that bad. If you have to, get angry, not negative.
We are at best, about 50% of what we were just seven years ago. Just stating the facts.
2005 - 1850 Qantas LAMEs
2012 - 1500 Qantas LAMEs
It's not all that bad. If you have to, get angry, not negative.
HM SYD - GONE
HM MEL - GONE
AVV - GOING
SIT - DECIMATED AND SHRINKING
SDT - DECIMATED AND SHRINKING
SYD BASE - DECIMATED AND AND GOING
You're saying "It's not all that bad." I normally have a lot of regard for what you have to say, but now I am angry at what you have said. This is not the smartest thing you have said here on this forum. Show me where the negativity is in the above facts!
YES!! IT IS ALL THAT BAD!! To add to your figures above, 2013 will be about 1350 LAME's once this cull is taken into account!! What are the numbers going to be in 2014 and beyond??
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It may be stopped, at least for a while if CASA intervene in Bne. Looks like they don't have enough staff and work may need to be moved.
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Is this the reason they're so keen to get 100 AME's up to BNE HY from SYD?
What are the numbers going to be in 2014 and beyond??
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Hmm, QF94, have a read of the QEPM chapter about Cat A's and tell me what effect that will have when they start to filter through.
Yet more LAME's gone.
Yet more LAME's gone.
I am in no way blind to the fact that the end game is LAMEless tarmacs, as has been talked about going back to the Deahm days. Those days are almost upon us.
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I know I would be hanged for suggesting this, but don't you all in bexley think its time to offer Qantas a new EBA in line with industry standards in pay, super and entitlements?
I would love to be on the higher end of the LAME scale with bolt on payments but we are pricing Qantas LAMEs out of the business. This is my suggestion to improving cost savings for the airline and possibly saving the lives and jobs of hundreds.
Regards.
I know I would be hanged for suggesting this, but don't you all in bexley think its time to offer Qantas a new EBA in line with industry standards in pay, super and entitlements?
I would love to be on the higher end of the LAME scale with bolt on payments but we are pricing Qantas LAMEs out of the business. This is my suggestion to improving cost savings for the airline and possibly saving the lives and jobs of hundreds.
Regards.
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I am in no way blind to the fact that the end game is LAMEless tarmacs, as has been talked about going back to the Deahm days. Those days are almost upon us.
At least we can all agree on this.
It is all that bad if we just stand by and let it happen.
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Yep may be. I just hope they don't shut a line in Bne to send the work overseas.
It should go to Avv.
It should go to Avv.
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It is all that bad if we just stand by and let it happen.
More aircraft to be retired. This is no secret. Less aircraft mean less requirement for LAME's and engineers in general.
Certainly no need for a Base Maintenance when you don't have the number of aircraft to justify the facility.
I'll just step out of Engineering for a minute. There's also proposed reduction of International destinations, which require less aircraft, requiring less pilots, cabin crew, catering, cleaning, check-in and so on.
Back into engineering now. The reduction can't be stopped, no matter what is said or done. We aren't just standing by and letting it happen. It is happening and no one can do anything about it except bleat about standing together. We will be standing together at the dole queue regardless of what we do or don't do. Pessimistic, defeatist, call it what you will.
Doing O/T for a few extra $$$ is no crime, and has always been a part of QANTAS culture. Now all of a sudden, it's been banished into the wilderness and is taboo, because it is seen as helping the company.
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Hey guys lets play the ball and not the man. If we're at each other's throats then we're definitely making it easier for the company!
QF94, normally I wouldn't have an issue with people doing O/T. I have also done O/T when I needed a little extra cash for something. No problems there. I am just not convinced that it is the right thing to be doing currently!
We are being forced to deal with a bloody minded management group hellbent on destroying what our engineering brothers have spent their lives building!
Emotions are running high on both sides of this O/T debate and I guess that is to be expected but I would rather err on the side of caution.
The fact is that very soon a whole lot of us won't be there anymore, but if we're going to go down then I'd rather go down fighting as a unified force than slide silently into oblivion. Just my thoughts.. your's may differ.
QF94, normally I wouldn't have an issue with people doing O/T. I have also done O/T when I needed a little extra cash for something. No problems there. I am just not convinced that it is the right thing to be doing currently!
We are being forced to deal with a bloody minded management group hellbent on destroying what our engineering brothers have spent their lives building!
Emotions are running high on both sides of this O/T debate and I guess that is to be expected but I would rather err on the side of caution.
The fact is that very soon a whole lot of us won't be there anymore, but if we're going to go down then I'd rather go down fighting as a unified force than slide silently into oblivion. Just my thoughts.. your's may differ.