QANTAS Exodus
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Qantas has advertised slots internally for 7 A330 SO's. Which is a bit strange as no one can bid for them as the rank is now the lowest for SO's.
I guess they could assign the most junior, but they are all on the A380 where they are required.
Very strange.
I guess they could assign the most junior, but they are all on the A380 where they are required.
Very strange.
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Yeah, that's what I was wondering Keg. Above and beyond that... the 744 can't really afford to lose anymore S/O's anyway... they've all been shuffled over to the A330 & A380 over the last 12 months. And as previously said, they're surely not going to move anyone off the A380 only to bring them back in 6-12 months time as more aircraft arrive?!?!
S/O 744 divisors ~ 180ish
S/O A330 divisors ~ 175ish
And F/O's operating as S/O's on numerous 330 sectors.
Word is not many PVG sectors for S/O's on this roster... all going to F/O's.
I understand another S/O has left since the vacancy notice came out too... making 8 short... 7 advertised.
PS - 330 also use S/O's for MNL.
S/O 744 divisors ~ 180ish
S/O A330 divisors ~ 175ish
And F/O's operating as S/O's on numerous 330 sectors.
Word is not many PVG sectors for S/O's on this roster... all going to F/O's.I understand another S/O has left since the vacancy notice came out too... making 8 short... 7 advertised.
PS - 330 also use S/O's for MNL.
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Seniority sure is a double edged bitch at times. Maybe pilots need to rethink the benefits for individuals vs all pilots industrywide equation. Maybe we need to think about just how valuable seniority really is? More mobility sure would help pilots be less captive.
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I suspect that those leaving now would be have decided to interview elsewhere due to the lead up to the August 24 D-day announcement. In other words they have been in the departure pipeline for quite some time. The October 29 act of economic vandalism (I am tempted to use a stronger word) does 2 things:
(1) Validates the decision for those who have gone. LWOP will be much more likely to stay elsewhere.
(2) Pushed those wavering to go. Many will now to decide to interview.
In all likelihood the Oct 29 event will probably not even begin to manifest itself in an exodus until February 2012 & beyond . Any current exodus is just a trickle before the flood.
Start drawing up your contingency plans.
(1) Validates the decision for those who have gone. LWOP will be much more likely to stay elsewhere.
(2) Pushed those wavering to go. Many will now to decide to interview.
In all likelihood the Oct 29 event will probably not even begin to manifest itself in an exodus until February 2012 & beyond . Any current exodus is just a trickle before the flood.
Start drawing up your contingency plans.
S/O's will come from the A380 as they are the most junior. Funny thing is that most of the junior guys where originally to go to the 330 only to be transferred to the dugong. Will just create more churn in training.
Seniority sure is a double edged bitch at times. Maybe pilots need to rethink the benefits for individuals vs all pilots industrywide equation. Maybe we need to think about just how valuable seniority really is? More mobility sure would help pilots be less captive.
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Had there been no seniority, the only expats would have been mostly F/O's anyway. Its chicken and egg stuff.
My point exactly. Could a few pilots now get over there own short term interests for the betterment of all pilots from then on?
Sounds not, and we'll all be captive forever.
My point exactly. Could a few pilots now get over there own short term interests for the betterment of all pilots from then on?
Sounds not, and we'll all be captive forever.
...... and what's your short term interest Waren9?
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Probably much the same as everybody elses.
I just want it debated. There is good and bad with seniority, no disagreement there. Has the worm turned? I personally think it has.
Management and their tactics have evolved dramatically over the years. The pilots have not. How many QF pilots would prefer there was no seniority at Jetstar? Probably many (in their short term interest!) would not. There would have never have been a bull**** MOU for a start.
If you want to play the man instead of the ball Im not interested.
I just want it debated. There is good and bad with seniority, no disagreement there. Has the worm turned? I personally think it has.
Management and their tactics have evolved dramatically over the years. The pilots have not. How many QF pilots would prefer there was no seniority at Jetstar? Probably many (in their short term interest!) would not. There would have never have been a bull**** MOU for a start.
If you want to play the man instead of the ball Im not interested.