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Climate Change theory is based on decades of reputable research and peer-reviewed science.
Anti Global Warming is a collection of non-scientific anecdotes and paranoid conspiracy theories.
The Carbon Tax is a good step forward to take action about global warming, but a lot more needs to be done and soon.
I'm still looking for a good way to buy carbon credits to offset my GA flying. I'll have another look at this next week.
Anti Global Warming is a collection of non-scientific anecdotes and paranoid conspiracy theories.
The Carbon Tax is a good step forward to take action about global warming, but a lot more needs to be done and soon.
I'm still looking for a good way to buy carbon credits to offset my GA flying. I'll have another look at this next week.
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Give them to me, they can help offset my carbon taxes when they get applied.
We have plenty of unfair taxation as it is, but this one is the most unfair I have seen yet.
No matter what Jullie Liar says even the poorest folk will be worse off, and those of hard working middle class folk will pay a fortune in increased cost of living in food, utilities etc etc, I will get slugged heaps more for fuel usage etc, and how much of the compensation will come my way ...... Not one cent.
So all these folk who get massive amounts of my tax dollars spent on them already have all the compensation, some big industries allegedly will get some too, and I will get nothing.
I am mighty pissed off about it in case you wondered. And despite your warm fuzzy feeling about donating some amount to plant trees, which is a noble gesture, you are quite likely to be in the same boat. Ripped off to the hilt.
This is an evil, STEAL from the middle classes and give to the wealthy or means tested lucky few TAX. It is not anything more than criminal.
Go back and read my posts about how a tax such as this should be applied. It shall have no exemptions. Use it, You Pay. It should not later be turned into some fraudulent trading scheme either. Might as well turn over our whole tax system to a open market trading scheme.
In every country that introduced such a tax in the past, what happened? The supposed outcome has failed 100% and I wonder why
As for all the proven science, I don't care if you think you are right, in another 40 years you will be proven wrong. But what will this stupid tax have done to so many folk over that time is more important.
Take your heads out of the sand and look at the facts, if you truly believe man made CO2 has an affect on global temps, fill ya boots, but what will this stupid tax do about it? More the point with your clever science PROVE that first before we accept the tax. Remember all it takes to test the hypothesis is one result to prove it wrong
So pony up lads, prove the tax will make any difference. Get all the science, rubbery or not, and show us how it will work. I can't wait!
We have plenty of unfair taxation as it is, but this one is the most unfair I have seen yet.
No matter what Jullie Liar says even the poorest folk will be worse off, and those of hard working middle class folk will pay a fortune in increased cost of living in food, utilities etc etc, I will get slugged heaps more for fuel usage etc, and how much of the compensation will come my way ...... Not one cent.
So all these folk who get massive amounts of my tax dollars spent on them already have all the compensation, some big industries allegedly will get some too, and I will get nothing.
I am mighty pissed off about it in case you wondered. And despite your warm fuzzy feeling about donating some amount to plant trees, which is a noble gesture, you are quite likely to be in the same boat. Ripped off to the hilt.
This is an evil, STEAL from the middle classes and give to the wealthy or means tested lucky few TAX. It is not anything more than criminal.
Go back and read my posts about how a tax such as this should be applied. It shall have no exemptions. Use it, You Pay. It should not later be turned into some fraudulent trading scheme either. Might as well turn over our whole tax system to a open market trading scheme.
In every country that introduced such a tax in the past, what happened? The supposed outcome has failed 100% and I wonder why
As for all the proven science, I don't care if you think you are right, in another 40 years you will be proven wrong. But what will this stupid tax have done to so many folk over that time is more important.
Take your heads out of the sand and look at the facts, if you truly believe man made CO2 has an affect on global temps, fill ya boots, but what will this stupid tax do about it? More the point with your clever science PROVE that first before we accept the tax. Remember all it takes to test the hypothesis is one result to prove it wrong
So pony up lads, prove the tax will make any difference. Get all the science, rubbery or not, and show us how it will work. I can't wait!
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I'm not swayed and stand by the position that the science behind global warming and climate change is sound.
The Carbon Tax is a sound idea to start tackling this issue.
A collection of conspiracy theories, pub anecdotes and anonymous rants are not science.
The Carbon Tax is a sound idea to start tackling this issue.
A collection of conspiracy theories, pub anecdotes and anonymous rants are not science.
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Peter, how can you stand behind something that by its very name, is a lie.
It is not a Carbon Tax, it is a tax on carbon dioxide. It does not tax the sooty emissions that the name implies (and the fraudulent advertising reinforces).
Has it ever crossed your mind to question the lie? Does it not make you suspicious that they are so deceitful?
As much as I hate to reference him, I think that everyone really needs to ask the Andrew Bolt question, "By how much will this reduce the Earth's temperature and at what cost?"
No doubt the use of the Bolt name will fire up the left wing idealogues, but nevertheless, the question is valid.
It is not a Carbon Tax, it is a tax on carbon dioxide. It does not tax the sooty emissions that the name implies (and the fraudulent advertising reinforces).
Has it ever crossed your mind to question the lie? Does it not make you suspicious that they are so deceitful?
As much as I hate to reference him, I think that everyone really needs to ask the Andrew Bolt question, "By how much will this reduce the Earth's temperature and at what cost?"
No doubt the use of the Bolt name will fire up the left wing idealogues, but nevertheless, the question is valid.
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I'm not swayed and stand by the position that the science behind global warming and climate change is sound.
The Carbon Tax is a sound idea to start tackling this issue.
A collection of conspiracy theories, pub anecdotes and anonymous rants are not science.
The Carbon Tax is a sound idea to start tackling this issue.
A collection of conspiracy theories, pub anecdotes and anonymous rants are not science.
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Your last post is that of a Forum troll.
Please actively participate in the debate. Common decency please.
Now how about you answer my questions and comment on my last post. I will cop it here for you...
Your last post is that of a Forum troll.
Please actively participate in the debate. Common decency please.
Now how about you answer my questions and comment on my last post. I will cop it here for you...
Jabawocky:
Give them to me, they can help offset my carbon taxes when they get applied.
We have plenty of unfair taxation as it is, but this one is the most unfair I have seen yet.
No matter what Jullie Liar says even the poorest folk will be worse off, and those of hard working middle class folk will pay a fortune in increased cost of living in food, utilities etc etc, I will get slugged heaps more for fuel usage etc, and how much of the compensation will come my way ...... Not one cent.
So all these folk who get massive amounts of my tax dollars spent on them already have all the compensation, some big industries allegedly will get some too, and I will get nothing.
I am mighty pissed off about it in case you wondered. And despite your warm fuzzy feeling about donating some amount to plant trees, which is a noble gesture, you are quite likely to be in the same boat. Ripped off to the hilt.
This is an evil, STEAL from the middle classes and give to the wealthy or means tested lucky few TAX. It is not anything more than criminal.
Go back and read my posts about how a tax such as this should be applied. It shall have no exemptions. Use it, You Pay. It should not later be turned into some fraudulent trading scheme either. Might as well turn over our whole tax system to a open market trading scheme.
In every country that introduced such a tax in the past, what happened? The supposed outcome has failed 100% and I wonder why
As for all the proven science, I don't care if you think you are right, in another 40 years you will be proven wrong. But what will this stupid tax have done to so many folk over that time is more important.
Take your heads out of the sand and look at the facts, if you truly believe man made CO2 has an affect on global temps, fill ya boots, but what will this stupid tax do about it? More the point with your clever science PROVE that first before we accept the tax. Remember all it takes to test the hypothesis is one result to prove it wrong
So pony up lads, prove the tax will make any difference. Get all the science, rubbery or not, and show us how it will work. I can't wait!
Give them to me, they can help offset my carbon taxes when they get applied.
We have plenty of unfair taxation as it is, but this one is the most unfair I have seen yet.
No matter what Jullie Liar says even the poorest folk will be worse off, and those of hard working middle class folk will pay a fortune in increased cost of living in food, utilities etc etc, I will get slugged heaps more for fuel usage etc, and how much of the compensation will come my way ...... Not one cent.
So all these folk who get massive amounts of my tax dollars spent on them already have all the compensation, some big industries allegedly will get some too, and I will get nothing.
I am mighty pissed off about it in case you wondered. And despite your warm fuzzy feeling about donating some amount to plant trees, which is a noble gesture, you are quite likely to be in the same boat. Ripped off to the hilt.
This is an evil, STEAL from the middle classes and give to the wealthy or means tested lucky few TAX. It is not anything more than criminal.
Go back and read my posts about how a tax such as this should be applied. It shall have no exemptions. Use it, You Pay. It should not later be turned into some fraudulent trading scheme either. Might as well turn over our whole tax system to a open market trading scheme.
In every country that introduced such a tax in the past, what happened? The supposed outcome has failed 100% and I wonder why
As for all the proven science, I don't care if you think you are right, in another 40 years you will be proven wrong. But what will this stupid tax have done to so many folk over that time is more important.
Take your heads out of the sand and look at the facts, if you truly believe man made CO2 has an affect on global temps, fill ya boots, but what will this stupid tax do about it? More the point with your clever science PROVE that first before we accept the tax. Remember all it takes to test the hypothesis is one result to prove it wrong
So pony up lads, prove the tax will make any difference. Get all the science, rubbery or not, and show us how it will work. I can't wait!
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This just in:
Read more here.
One common theme backing ALL scams is a time constraint. The potential scamee has to act quickly for one reason or another. AGW has been no different.
It is now believed by over 97% of all physical science scientists that the IPCC's climate models have failed to accurately predict recent changes in global temperatures and associated climate change. The inconvenient facts of climate model prediction failure have become well known and are no longer denied by the world's science community.
(Note to readers: Try to find a single PhD in physical sciences whom actually believes, and will state in writing, that the climate computer simulations have been accurate over the last 15 years.)
(Note to readers: Try to find a single PhD in physical sciences whom actually believes, and will state in writing, that the climate computer simulations have been accurate over the last 15 years.)
One common theme backing ALL scams is a time constraint. The potential scamee has to act quickly for one reason or another. AGW has been no different.
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Jaba, you have money and the government wants it.
You are no more than a cash cow to be milked, so stand still while Juliar attaches the hoses to your nipples.
The 'Carbon Tax' has no practicle nexus with 'Climate Change'.
Prof Tim Flannery
It is just another tax to make the government and a select few bankers etc., that will run the trading schemes, incredibly rich.
Juliar says she will compensate the battlers or they won't vote for her. Compensate the big polluters or they won't donate to her cause, so who is left. Just us milk cows in the middle.
You are no more than a cash cow to be milked, so stand still while Juliar attaches the hoses to your nipples.
The 'Carbon Tax' has no practicle nexus with 'Climate Change'.
Prof Tim Flannery
In February 2011 it was announced that Flannery had been appointed to head the Climate Change Commission established by Prime Minister Julia Gillard to explain climate change and the need for a carbon price to the public.
Tim Flannery.. : “If the world as a whole cut all emissions tomorrow, the average temperature of the planet’s not going to drop for several hundred years, perhaps over 1000 years”
Juliar says she will compensate the battlers or they won't vote for her. Compensate the big polluters or they won't donate to her cause, so who is left. Just us milk cows in the middle.
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Don't ignore him, just think of him as chicken little. You know, "The sky is falling, the sky is falling!"
No matter what Jullie Liar says even the poorest folk will be worse off, and those of hard working middle class folk will pay a fortune in increased cost of living in food, utilities etc etc, I will get slugged heaps more for fuel usage etc, and how much of the compensation will come my way ...... Not one cent.
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Tim Flannery.. : “If the world as a whole cut all emissions tomorrow, the average temperature of the planet’s not going to drop for several hundred years, perhaps over 1000 years”
Here is the kicker, all the AGW's and old mate Al Gore and his movie along with all the IPCC and that is the claim that CO2 and man made CO2 more to the point has been having an instantaeuos effect on global temperature.
So on one hand it ramps temperature up in an instant, the next it takes 800-1000 years to cool off.
No go back a few years or more, and ask a very learned scientist, Prof Bob Carter, a Paleoclimatologist who has been studying this stuff for decages, and study this stuff that happened over thousands and million of years and he would tell you the effect is "Temperature drives CO2 levels with a roughly 800 year lag".
Whats more the graphs used in Al Gores movie, actually show this, he just drew lines/lies on the graph. Busted again Mr Gore
It is hard to escape the facts of real hard emperical data. The AGW's are pretty good at spinning it into pro AGW mantra, but they get caught out all the time. Some times it takes a few years to get caught, but the eventually do.
So peterc.........how are you going on my answers?
Hey Deep Sea..........no, that is not chicken little stuff mate it is FACT. FACT FACT FACT, they will be worse off, and folk like me and most likely you too will be far worse off. Prove me wrong and I will buy you a carton
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@Jabawocky, I can't make sense of your rants.
What does impress me in discussions is substantiation.
If you make a point or statement, substantiate it. Include references to any source data.
If you say "... 95% of scientists say this ..." include a reference so that it can be checked.
A good reference would be a scientific or academic journal. A poor reference would be some bloke down the pub or conspiracy web site.
If people in this thread had to include reputable references the AGW people would go very quiet.
What does impress me in discussions is substantiation.
If you make a point or statement, substantiate it. Include references to any source data.
If you say "... 95% of scientists say this ..." include a reference so that it can be checked.
A good reference would be a scientific or academic journal. A poor reference would be some bloke down the pub or conspiracy web site.
If people in this thread had to include reputable references the AGW people would go very quiet.
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@jabawocky - you said:
"So on one hand it ramps temperature up in an instant, the next it takes 800-1000 years to cool off."
Would you please supply a reference so that we can validate your statement?
"So on one hand it ramps temperature up in an instant, the next it takes 800-1000 years to cool off."
Would you please supply a reference so that we can validate your statement?
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@peterc005
Jaba et al have provided plenty of references for your edification.
Interesting developments at Durban, if you care to look.
Large "polluder" countries are saying no to extending Kyoto or discussing a new protocol.
Carbon price in Euro zone down to about $8.00 tonne.
My arse feels the wind.
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BH
Jaba et al have provided plenty of references for your edification.
Interesting developments at Durban, if you care to look.
Large "polluder" countries are saying no to extending Kyoto or discussing a new protocol.
Carbon price in Euro zone down to about $8.00 tonne.
My arse feels the wind.
Cheers
BH
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Don't respond to these trolls. (probably the same mole anyway). Note their posts, 57/69 respectively. Probably registered on the same day.
See their rule 6.
See their rule 6.
6. Hit and Run. In any public forum, make a brief attack of your opponent or the opponent position and then scamper off before an answer can be fielded, or simply ignore any answer. This works extremely well in Internet and letters-to-the-editor environments where a steady stream of new identities can be called upon without having to explain criticism reasoning -- simply make an accusation or other attack, never discussing issues, and never answering any subsequent response, for that would dignify the opponent's viewpoint.
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peterc005, you said [quoteIf people in this thread had to include reputable references the AGW people would go very quiet][/quote] is probably far more pertinent than you realise.
FYI, AGW stands for Anthropogenic Global Warming, meaning MAN MADE. I can't believe that you are trying to get involved in an argument that you simply have NO understanding of. Unfortunately it is because of non thinking muppets such as yourself that we are burdened with the government that we have.
You then go on to state,
"@jabawocky - you said:
"So on one hand it ramps temperature up in an instant, the next it takes 800-1000 years to cool off."
Would you please supply a reference so that we can validate your statement?"
Are you for real? Can you read? He was referring to the comments made by Australia's biggest hypocrite Tim Flannery (AKA Australia's Climate Commissioner)
FYI, AGW stands for Anthropogenic Global Warming, meaning MAN MADE. I can't believe that you are trying to get involved in an argument that you simply have NO understanding of. Unfortunately it is because of non thinking muppets such as yourself that we are burdened with the government that we have.
You then go on to state,
"@jabawocky - you said:
"So on one hand it ramps temperature up in an instant, the next it takes 800-1000 years to cool off."
Would you please supply a reference so that we can validate your statement?"
Are you for real? Can you read? He was referring to the comments made by Australia's biggest hypocrite Tim Flannery (AKA Australia's Climate Commissioner)
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My dear chap,
I am not sure I have seen you do this once yet, and we can throw reputable references at you all day long and YOU ignore them. Stop smoking the weed man!
We or I have given you ample material to go check against, and who said you were the Global Warming Police. All you do is prattle rubbish.
I went and used the self confessed green but no axe to grind fellows website, provided by Dutchie and look what came out of it. No thats not good enough for you hey.
I want you to answer this....and with full referencing please!
Not another post from you please until you do.
Thanks in advance.
My dear chap,
If people in this thread had to include reputable references the AGW people would go very quiet.
We or I have given you ample material to go check against, and who said you were the Global Warming Police
. All you do is prattle rubbish.I went and used the self confessed green but no axe to grind fellows website, provided by Dutchie and look what came out of it. No thats not good enough for you hey.
I want you to answer this....and with full referencing please!
Jabawocky:
Give them to me, they can help offset my carbon taxes when they get applied.
We have plenty of unfair taxation as it is, but this one is the most unfair I have seen yet.
No matter what Jullie Liar says even the poorest folk will be worse off, and those of hard working middle class folk will pay a fortune in increased cost of living in food, utilities etc etc, I will get slugged heaps more for fuel usage etc, and how much of the compensation will come my way ...... Not one cent.
So all these folk who get massive amounts of my tax dollars spent on them already have all the compensation, some big industries allegedly will get some too, and I will get nothing.
I am mighty pissed off about it in case you wondered. And despite your warm fuzzy feeling about donating some amount to plant trees, which is a noble gesture, you are quite likely to be in the same boat. Ripped off to the hilt.
This is an evil, STEAL from the middle classes and give to the wealthy or means tested lucky few TAX. It is not anything more than criminal.
Go back and read my posts about how a tax such as this should be applied. It shall have no exemptions. Use it, You Pay. It should not later be turned into some fraudulent trading scheme either. Might as well turn over our whole tax system to a open market trading scheme.
In every country that introduced such a tax in the past, what happened? The supposed outcome has failed 100% and I wonder why
As for all the proven science, I don't care if you think you are right, in another 40 years you will be proven wrong. But what will this stupid tax have done to so many folk over that time is more important.
Take your heads out of the sand and look at the facts, if you truly believe man made CO2 has an affect on global temps, fill ya boots, but what will this stupid tax do about it? More the point with your clever science PROVE that first before we accept the tax. Remember all it takes to test the hypothesis is one result to prove it wrong
So pony up lads, prove the tax will make any difference. Get all the science, rubbery or not, and show us how it will work. I can't wait!
Give them to me, they can help offset my carbon taxes when they get applied.
We have plenty of unfair taxation as it is, but this one is the most unfair I have seen yet.
No matter what Jullie Liar says even the poorest folk will be worse off, and those of hard working middle class folk will pay a fortune in increased cost of living in food, utilities etc etc, I will get slugged heaps more for fuel usage etc, and how much of the compensation will come my way ...... Not one cent.
So all these folk who get massive amounts of my tax dollars spent on them already have all the compensation, some big industries allegedly will get some too, and I will get nothing.
I am mighty pissed off about it in case you wondered. And despite your warm fuzzy feeling about donating some amount to plant trees, which is a noble gesture, you are quite likely to be in the same boat. Ripped off to the hilt.
This is an evil, STEAL from the middle classes and give to the wealthy or means tested lucky few TAX. It is not anything more than criminal.
Go back and read my posts about how a tax such as this should be applied. It shall have no exemptions. Use it, You Pay. It should not later be turned into some fraudulent trading scheme either. Might as well turn over our whole tax system to a open market trading scheme.
In every country that introduced such a tax in the past, what happened? The supposed outcome has failed 100% and I wonder why
As for all the proven science, I don't care if you think you are right, in another 40 years you will be proven wrong. But what will this stupid tax have done to so many folk over that time is more important.
Take your heads out of the sand and look at the facts, if you truly believe man made CO2 has an affect on global temps, fill ya boots, but what will this stupid tax do about it? More the point with your clever science PROVE that first before we accept the tax. Remember all it takes to test the hypothesis is one result to prove it wrong
So pony up lads, prove the tax will make any difference. Get all the science, rubbery or not, and show us how it will work. I can't wait!
Thanks in advance.
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