CARBON TAX-It's Started!
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Seems I was wrong on changes to sea levels:
From: The Spectator, Rising credulity Worth a read.
From: The Spectator, Rising credulity Worth a read.
In 2003 the satellite altimetry record was mysteriously tilted upwards to imply a sudden sea level rise rate of 2.3mm per year. When I criticised this dishonest adjustment at a global warming conference in Moscow, a British member of the IPCC delegation admitted in public the reason for this new calibration: ‘We had to do so, otherwise there would be no trend.’
This is a scandal that should be called Sealevelgate. As with the Hockey Stick, there is little real-world data to support the upward tilt. It seems that the 2.3mm rise rate has been based on just one tide gauge in Hong Kong (whose record is contradicted by four other nearby tide gauges). Why does it show such a rise? Because like many of the 159 tide gauge stations used by the National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration, it is sited on an unstable harbour construction or landing pier prone to uplift or subsidence. When you exclude these unreliable stations, the 68 remaining ones give a present rate of sea level rise in the order of 1mm a year.
If the ice caps are melting, it is at such a small rate globally that we can hardly see its effects on sea level. I certainly have not been able to find any evidence for it. The sea level rise today is at most 0.7mm a year — though, probably, much smaller.
We must learn to take the environmentalists’ predictions with a huge pinch of salt. In 2005, the United Nations Environment Programme predicted that climate change would create 50 million climate refugees by 2010. That was last year: where are those refugees? And where are those sea level rises? The true facts are found by observing and measuring nature itself, not in the IPCC’s computer-generated projections. There are many urgent natural problems to consider on Planet Earth — tsunamis, earthquakes, volcanic eruptions not least among them. But the threat of rising sea levels is an artificial crisis.
This is a scandal that should be called Sealevelgate. As with the Hockey Stick, there is little real-world data to support the upward tilt. It seems that the 2.3mm rise rate has been based on just one tide gauge in Hong Kong (whose record is contradicted by four other nearby tide gauges). Why does it show such a rise? Because like many of the 159 tide gauge stations used by the National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration, it is sited on an unstable harbour construction or landing pier prone to uplift or subsidence. When you exclude these unreliable stations, the 68 remaining ones give a present rate of sea level rise in the order of 1mm a year.
If the ice caps are melting, it is at such a small rate globally that we can hardly see its effects on sea level. I certainly have not been able to find any evidence for it. The sea level rise today is at most 0.7mm a year — though, probably, much smaller.
We must learn to take the environmentalists’ predictions with a huge pinch of salt. In 2005, the United Nations Environment Programme predicted that climate change would create 50 million climate refugees by 2010. That was last year: where are those refugees? And where are those sea level rises? The true facts are found by observing and measuring nature itself, not in the IPCC’s computer-generated projections. There are many urgent natural problems to consider on Planet Earth — tsunamis, earthquakes, volcanic eruptions not least among them. But the threat of rising sea levels is an artificial crisis.
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Phew! Thank goodness. At least Saint Flim Tannery's beach side home is safe. Mind you the voluntary contributions by the likes of peterc005 will help to keep the world safe from 21m sea level rises (and at less than 1mm per annum that's approximately 21,000 years so I guess that we'd better start panicking now so that we are ready for it).
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Can't help myself... have to get back into the debate!
Reading back through the replies I'm still annoyed to see that many people still doubt the existence of global warming at all
Reading back through the replies I'm still annoyed to see that many people still doubt the existence of global warming at all
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Correct UL
The real human effect is real, but it is so small that the effect is in th abndwidht of "noise" in the data. It is insignificant. Not what the AGW propoganda wants of course.
The real human effect is real, but it is so small that the effect is in th abndwidht of "noise" in the data. It is insignificant. Not what the AGW propoganda wants of course.
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The Carbon Tax is a good thing in that it shows that a government has the guts to stand up and acknowledge global warming as a real issue and to do something about it,
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Time this thread had a cooling off period until the children can play nice.
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Play nicely. No name calling! 
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My problem is with chronic and deliberate drift: The thread is about carbon tax. I fail to see how discussing the "science" is anything but a distraction which is used very regularly in many media reports.
Whether you believe in the science or not, it doesn't address the tax and how it affects us as aviators, engineers or passengers.
It's my opinion, using "science" to justify a lie, puts that "science" in serious doubt. The Incumbants have no mandate to impost this tax and at least should have been held over until after the next election.
Whether you believe in the science or not, it doesn't address the tax and how it affects us as aviators, engineers or passengers.
It's my opinion, using "science" to justify a lie, puts that "science" in serious doubt. The Incumbants have no mandate to impost this tax and at least should have been held over until after the next election.
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Agreed. There is a perfectly good thread on JB which debates the "science" of global warming/climate change.
This thread is about the shonky politics of hitting us with a tax that we were promosed would not happen and that will not achieve anything other than the transference of money from our pockets to the government's so that they can spend more on the lazy and feckless so that they will vote for them when the time comes.
This thread is about the shonky politics of hitting us with a tax that we were promosed would not happen and that will not achieve anything other than the transference of money from our pockets to the government's so that they can spend more on the lazy and feckless so that they will vote for them when the time comes.
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I don't normally place much faith in prophets but it is noteworthy in some perverse way to see the Labor Party's recent catch-cry "in the nation's interest" and how this piece of trickery was put together.
Snopes is not much help.
Snopes is not much help.
NOSTRADAMUS
Its always worth revisiting Nostradamus after a big event occurs.
Note these consecutive quatrains
Daughter of the Dragon,
Transplanted by Sea,
Promised to lead a Nation,
Destined to ruin a Nation.
Hooded of Eye, and Red of Hair,
The Cunning Lady makes the snare,
The Cup is hers, and she holds it ever tight,
Her Subjects fall to Poverty and to Blight.
Nostradamus is Spot on
as far as Julia Gillard is concerned..........
Daughter of the Dragon - Have a Look at the Welsh Flag.
Its always worth revisiting Nostradamus after a big event occurs.
Note these consecutive quatrains
Daughter of the Dragon,
Transplanted by Sea,
Promised to lead a Nation,
Destined to ruin a Nation.
Hooded of Eye, and Red of Hair,
The Cunning Lady makes the snare,
The Cup is hers, and she holds it ever tight,
Her Subjects fall to Poverty and to Blight.
Nostradamus is Spot on
as far as Julia Gillard is concerned..........
Daughter of the Dragon - Have a Look at the Welsh Flag.
I don't normally place much faith in prophets but . . . .
What's with the nostradamus quote? I personally would want, at the very least, a gypsy with crystal ball. No! wait; better still . . . . . tea leaves and chicken gizzards supported by a few magical spells. No credability otherwise!
The something about "trickery being put together". What does all of this mixture of politics and mysticism actually refer to?
In fact what does your whole post actually mean Frank?? Is it relevant to any Pprrune threads? Is it an answer to the subject of carbon taxation or global warming? You lost me years ago, but never to this new dismal extent.
You aren't ever going to be asked to run in even the shortest of intellectual races with thiese mumblings. Now back to the caldron . . . .
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I wonder what Jonathan Livingstone Seagull would say to that? To you, a protected species that flaps around all night getting pissed on ripe fruit.
Fact is Gillard said there would be no carbon tax and the electorate believed her. How much faith can anyone have in any of her prophesies, such as "the tax will have bugga all impact on low income earners" and "the jobs lost will be in direct proportion to new jobs created in the green industry's" when a committed liar makes such statements.
No mate, Nostradamus is looking better than her, or your chicken gizzard prophecies.
The old quote, in case you missed it contained the words "the nation" in para 3 and 4 which seemed, to echo the new Labor catchcry, "in the Nation's interest" -as if by saying it proved anything Abbott did was not in the Nation's interest.
Oh, I just got it. Cauldron/ witches/ bats. Good one.
Fact is Gillard said there would be no carbon tax and the electorate believed her. How much faith can anyone have in any of her prophesies, such as "the tax will have bugga all impact on low income earners" and "the jobs lost will be in direct proportion to new jobs created in the green industry's" when a committed liar makes such statements.
No mate, Nostradamus is looking better than her, or your chicken gizzard prophecies.
The old quote, in case you missed it contained the words "the nation" in para 3 and 4 which seemed, to echo the new Labor catchcry, "in the Nation's interest" -as if by saying it proved anything Abbott did was not in the Nation's interest.
Oh, I just got it. Cauldron/ witches/ bats. Good one.
It was interesting to watch a good program on "rising sea levels" the other night. Basically it put forward evidence that many island a "sinking" not the water rising as stated by the profits of gloom. Land in other parts is actually rising as well. The earth has a history of creating and 'destroying' reefs/islands etc due to movement of the tectonic plates and resulting earthquakes and volcanic activity as well as subsidence. All part of mother nature's management program I guess. Ju-liar's TAX won't stop this...
I am not a climate change skeptic. I believe that climate change happens. You would have to be a complete fool to deny that it doesn't. I am however, a total AGW skeptic, and I am absolutely a Carbon-Tax denier.
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Funny old thread this one:
Back on page 11, one poster writes...
and then on page 19, another writes...
TBM, I think you're getting prophet confused with profit.
Back on page 11, one poster writes...
The posts here keep slipping onto politics as opposed to the scientific debate of what is really happening. Without being too provocative, why not leave references to political parties and politicians out of this thread.
The thread is about carbon tax. I fail to see how discussing the "science" is anything but a distraction
TBM, I think you're getting prophet confused with profit.
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I think you're getting prophet confused with profit.
Julia Gillard cannot be relied upon as a prophet becasuse she is a liar.
The Labor party's policies cannot be believed because time and time again they, and a couple of Independents, have carried votes in the House of Representatives condoning her misleading Parliament and the voters.
Nostradamus appears to be the only believable prophet because if he indeed, said what was actively reported, his prophecies have come true.
And Traffic old mate, I'm with you;
I am absolutely a Carbon-Tax denier
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@Frank - I'm not sure where you get these "rights" from.
There is no point trying to be rational with climate change sceptics because they are more interested in looking for conspiracy theories or shouting people down.
Climate change sceptics are like witch doctors - they both have an unflappable belief in their convictions in the face of overwhelming scientific evidence and observations.
... guess now the climate change witch doctors will be making dolls in my image and sticking pins in them ...
There is no point trying to be rational with climate change sceptics because they are more interested in looking for conspiracy theories or shouting people down.
Climate change sceptics are like witch doctors - they both have an unflappable belief in their convictions in the face of overwhelming scientific evidence and observations.
... guess now the climate change witch doctors will be making dolls in my image and sticking pins in them ...
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Malcolm Turnbull is a Merchant Banker who will "profit" from this tax scheme.
