Qantas announcement today
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nitpicker330Sunfish basically said in post 111 that Chinese Engineers will not bother to follow the Airbus/Boeing operational manuals and therefore cannot maintain properly!! What rubbish!!
All I know is CX a/c aren't falling out of the sky.
All I know is CX a/c aren't falling out of the sky.
Harken back to the late '90's in Cathay and you would find identical Industrial conditions then as what's happening in Australia with Qantas now. Lo and behold we see Freehills behind both exercises in Union Busting.
So what Sunfish wrote was crap is it?
What about the TAECO B747-400 incident. TAECO? that was Cathy's little "off-shoring" exercise in cost-cutting. 400 gets painted on the mainland at Xiamen on the cheap. Only this from a report " Because of carelessness, lax standards and abysmall quality control, the static ports and the pitot heads were blocked by paint and debris"
Further quotes "But these sorts of engineering problems were avoidable incidents and, in our company, they were becoming more frequent. Like NASA at the time of Challenger and Columbia, it had got to the point in Cathay where there were serious flaws in the safety culture and, like Townsend Thorensen's " Disease of sloppiness" and negligence at the time of the Herald of Free Enterprise disaster, the responsibility for this went up the hierarchy right the way to the top.
As for CX aren't falling out of the sky statement, well what about the A330 CX780 out of Surabaya? Landed CLK 13 April 2010 with a double engine failure.
The problem here is one that can be squarely sheeted home to a Management culture that "talks the talk but doesn't walk the walk."
Sound familiar?
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Further to my last post a read of the following PPRUNE fragrant harbour blog from archives.
http://www.pprune.org/fragrant-harbo...-bust-3-a.html
What Qantas are now doing ,CX tried on a number of years ago.
It's amazing how many names keep popping up when it comes to "Union Busting"
In March 2006 Turnbull joined Australia's Allco Finance Group, a privately owned investment bank based in Sydney, as an executive director.
Also on the Allco board was his old mate Rod Eddington. In late 2006 a group called Airline Partners Australia, consisting of a consotium involving Macquarie bank, Allco and others, made a highly leveraged takeover bid for Qantas. under the terms of the deal three Allco directors, including Eddington and Turnbull, were poised to take seats on the Qantas board. The deal fell through ater a shareholder revolt that resulted in the Qantas chairman, Margret Jackson, not standing for re-election when her term expired. By 2008 Allco was in serious financial trouble and went into administration in November with debts of more than AU$650 million leaving its shareholders cleaned out and, like Ansett seven years earlier, it's employees looking at the dole queue.
http://www.pprune.org/fragrant-harbo...-bust-3-a.html
What Qantas are now doing ,CX tried on a number of years ago.
It's amazing how many names keep popping up when it comes to "Union Busting"
In March 2006 Turnbull joined Australia's Allco Finance Group, a privately owned investment bank based in Sydney, as an executive director.
Also on the Allco board was his old mate Rod Eddington. In late 2006 a group called Airline Partners Australia, consisting of a consotium involving Macquarie bank, Allco and others, made a highly leveraged takeover bid for Qantas. under the terms of the deal three Allco directors, including Eddington and Turnbull, were poised to take seats on the Qantas board. The deal fell through ater a shareholder revolt that resulted in the Qantas chairman, Margret Jackson, not standing for re-election when her term expired. By 2008 Allco was in serious financial trouble and went into administration in November with debts of more than AU$650 million leaving its shareholders cleaned out and, like Ansett seven years earlier, it's employees looking at the dole queue.
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Don't tell me that the Qantas Group's only alternative due reduction of mainline capacity will be to replace those services with Jetstar.
After all. The Qantas Group does have to maintain that 60% line in the sand of domestic traffic & Jetstar is of course an amazing business.
Don't tell me that the Qantas Group's only alternative due reduction of mainline capacity will be to replace those services with Jetstar.
After all. The Qantas Group does have to maintain that 60% line in the sand of domestic traffic & Jetstar is of course an amazing business.
In March 2006 Turnbull joined Australia's Allco Finance Group, a privately owned investment bank based in Sydney, as an executive director
Allco was in serious financial trouble and went into administration in November with debts of more than AU$650 million leaving its shareholders cleaned out and, like Ansett seven years earlier, it's employees looking at the dole queue.
Nothing I'll bet.
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Am I dreaming or have the 100 flights a week suddenly become 400 flights been cancelled in today's media. In the small print follows a month.
Someone is spinning the same announcement although there is reference to a QF announcement.
Tomorrow it will be 800 flights (each two months), 1200 flights (a quarter) and so on.
Guess it saves having to think up anything worthwhile to say or actually get down to negotiating.
Goodness save us yet again.
Someone is spinning the same announcement although there is reference to a QF announcement.
Tomorrow it will be 800 flights (each two months), 1200 flights (a quarter) and so on.
Guess it saves having to think up anything worthwhile to say or actually get down to negotiating.
Goodness save us yet again.
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As we have all discovered in recent years, due to freedom of information laws, there are many people who have gone straight from High School to : Local Council, State Politics, Federal Politics, the ACTU, unions within the ACTU, civil rights groups, tree hugging groups, greenie groups, biosphere groups and sundry other "gravy train" occupations where they bleed the tax payers dry, enjoy an over inflated salary, massive PUBLIC superannuation benefits and usually are married or partners to similar types with different names!?
Is that rorting the system, or is that rorting the system.
Has anyone checked out Olivia?
If not, do so.
I bet you a useless ticket on a Qantas flight that she has never had, what we would all call, a proper job since leaving high school!
And I bet she's also married to another government bludger rorting the system!
By another name!
Is that rorting the system, or is that rorting the system.
Has anyone checked out Olivia?
If not, do so.
I bet you a useless ticket on a Qantas flight that she has never had, what we would all call, a proper job since leaving high school!
And I bet she's also married to another government bludger rorting the system!
By another name!
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Of course Forward bookings have fallen. Who in their right mind would purchase a ticket to London, sit around in a Bangkok transit lounge for 5 hours then hop on a different airline. Now thats strategy.
Maybe Qantas should start advertising their product instead of advertising how much it hates its staff. Where is that choir they used to use ? Have they been sold off too.
Maybe Qantas should start advertising their product instead of advertising how much it hates its staff. Where is that choir they used to use ? Have they been sold off too.
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They know how to make no news some news hehe, meanwhile on the operational front I have been hearing there are some major spare parts QF needs for a few broken 737's that they do not have anymore because, umm they have wittled down their spare part inventory?? Just like star wars, ignore the Olivia ignore the Joyce, just remember ,.... "Stay on Target!" We can outlive them because they are under pressure from the shareholders, just be patient grasshopper and watch them fall off their branch! 
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Just like star wars, ignore the Olivia ignore the Joyce, just remember ,.... "Stay on Target!" We can outlive them because they are under pressure from the shareholders, just be patient grasshopper and watch them fall off their branch!
The last couple of batches of management believe in engaging their staff. They engage them in constant conflict and dispute, hoping to wear them down and hopefully instill fear into them by implying their jobs are less secure.
No matter how much we whinge about OW & AJ, it makes no difference. They will always read from their cue cards and not deviate. This is a quote from JFK "The great enemy of the truth is very often not the lie - deliberate, contrived and dishonest, but the myth - persistent, persuasive and unrealistic."
If the powers that be get into the media first and constantly repeat their blurbs long enough, someone will eventually believe them. They even believe it themselves.
Or, they could simply just be psychopaths:
"The psychopath is one of the most fascinating and distressing problems of human experience. For the most part, a psychopath never remains attached to anyone or anything. They live a "predatory" lifestyle. They feel little or no regret, and little or no remorse - except when they are caught. They need relationships, but see people as obstacles to overcome and be eliminated. If not, they see people in terms of how they can be used. They use people for stimulation, to build their self-esteem and they invariably value people in terms of their material value (money, property, etc..).
A psychopath can have high verbal intelligence, but they typically lack "emotional intelligence". They can be expert in manipulating others by playing to their emotions. There is a shallow quality to the emotional aspect of their stories (i.e., how they felt, why they felt that way, or how others may have felt and why). The lack of emotional intelligence is the first good sign you may be dealing with a psychopath."
The above was taken from Psychopathic Personality
I never said HAECO was perfect either, sure they make mistakes but how many lives have been lost as a result of their work worldwide? I, and all of my colleagues in the Harbour are regular users of the Aircraft they maintain and generally speaking they do a good safe dependable job.
Oh, the CX 780 incident was a result of fuel contamination from SUB.
I generally agree with Sunfish, on this occasion I take exception to a small comment he made.
Yes, I've been around a while buddy
Oh, the CX 780 incident was a result of fuel contamination from SUB.
I generally agree with Sunfish, on this occasion I take exception to a small comment he made.
Yes, I've been around a while buddy
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I never said HAECO was perfect either, sure they make mistakes but how many lives have been lost as a result of their work worldwide? I, and all of my colleagues in the Harbour are regular users of the Aircraft they maintain and generally speaking they do a good safe dependable job.
How many maintenance related engine failures have you had in your career?
I've had only one -in a Cessna 206.
I likes maintenance of the highest standard now, thanks very much.
But, I hope that keeps working for you.
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I'm not taking sides in this argument but venture to say that some of the claims of justification made by the participants are somewhat misinformed and baseless. I have 18,000+ hours operating several models of jet transport aircraft from narrow to wide body long haul plus 2000+ hours of C & T in simulators in my logbook, during my 33 years of aviation career in Asia. All those hours were chalked up in equipment maintained in line and heavy maintenance in Asia. ALEA's assertions that nobody can do it as safely and better than them is I'm afraid to say, a complete red herring! Standing by for incoming!
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With all due respect Hot Dog, this has been done to death and is off topic,
Something you won’t see on Sunrise or in print | Plane Talking
This might explain the position a bit more,
Cheers.
Something you won’t see on Sunrise or in print | Plane Talking
This might explain the position a bit more,
Cheers.
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Haven't posted here for a while, as pprune seems to have been overrun by trolls and stooges.
I think there is a perfectly reasonable explanation as to why CX and the like are not "Falling out of the sky" whilst using MRO facilities that Mr. Joyce and Clifford (and possibly those that lick their boots) salivate just thinking about.
Airlines such as CX and SIA are regular customers of these facilities. There are lines of maintenance reserved just for them alone. Checks are scheduled in well in advance.
QF is the customer off the street constantly shopping around for the cheapest deal at the last moment. They demand their C checks and D checks done yesterday as cheap as possible.
If I were an MRO, I know which customer I would give the best, most comprehensive service to and I know which customer I would want out the door ASAP. This is just the reality of business.
On another note, the facility I work in was told a few days ago that due to the on going PIA, Jetstar have withdrawn their heavy maintenance from us.
So overnight, they were able to find an alternative provider? Or is it possible that this was planned many, many months ago prior to any PIA? Yet another opportunity to blame unions for the pre-determined and deliberate failings of management?
I think there is a perfectly reasonable explanation as to why CX and the like are not "Falling out of the sky" whilst using MRO facilities that Mr. Joyce and Clifford (and possibly those that lick their boots) salivate just thinking about.
Airlines such as CX and SIA are regular customers of these facilities. There are lines of maintenance reserved just for them alone. Checks are scheduled in well in advance.
QF is the customer off the street constantly shopping around for the cheapest deal at the last moment. They demand their C checks and D checks done yesterday as cheap as possible.
If I were an MRO, I know which customer I would give the best, most comprehensive service to and I know which customer I would want out the door ASAP. This is just the reality of business.
On another note, the facility I work in was told a few days ago that due to the on going PIA, Jetstar have withdrawn their heavy maintenance from us.
So overnight, they were able to find an alternative provider? Or is it possible that this was planned many, many months ago prior to any PIA? Yet another opportunity to blame unions for the pre-determined and deliberate failings of management?
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The 737's that have been grounded, are probably the the 4 listed in the HMplan to be sold, the first in two weeks, and the remainder prior to chrissy. TJI, TJO, TJU and TJW, if I remeber correctly. All of which were supposed to be retired over 12 months ago, but due to the GFC they were sent ofshore for HM, and kept on!!