Qantas announcement today
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Grounded 767
Not sure about the 737's. But the grounded 767 would most probably be rolling regos of 767 short on hours before their A-checks must be completed. Just like the last 3 or 4 in Base.
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Ah no, take a look the Hangar near the 07R threshold, it's owned by HAECO. Yes they do CX, KA and a whole lot of other third party work including QF.
HAECO do most of CX and KA hangar and line maintenace.
HAECO do most of CX and KA hangar and line maintenace.
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Well written. If only there was a way you could get the stupid media onto this, rather than the rubbish the other side spins.
One question I have is why the heck aren't the unions collectively using social media more to push the cause?
I hope there is a percentage of the public wise enough to know that employees are not trying to destroy QF and that the actions of late are because they see serious rot at the top.
Well written. If only there was a way you could get the stupid media onto this, rather than the rubbish the other side spins.
One question I have is why the heck aren't the unions collectively using social media more to push the cause?
I hope there is a percentage of the public wise enough to know that employees are not trying to destroy QF and that the actions of late are because they see serious rot at the top.
Nunc est bibendum
So QF aircraft are on the same line as CX aircraft? With the same LAME/ AME ratio? With the same level of experience on QFs aircraft as QF engineers?
If QF don't pay for the same Engineer supervision.............more fool them I guess.
Sunfish basically said in post 111 that Chinese Engineers will not bother to follow the Airbus/Boeing operational manuals and therefore cannot maintain properly!! What rubbish!!
All I know is CX a/c aren't falling out of the sky.
Oh, and why do the HAECO Engineers/Lames need to have experience on Qantas Aircraft? Are they different to the normal Boeings/Airbus the rest of us use?? I think not.
Like I said above I support AIPA ALAEA 100% in your fight with off shoring but for goodness sake do you really need to degrade others to make your point??
Sunfish basically said in post 111 that Chinese Engineers will not bother to follow the Airbus/Boeing operational manuals and therefore cannot maintain properly!! What rubbish!!
All I know is CX a/c aren't falling out of the sky.
Oh, and why do the HAECO Engineers/Lames need to have experience on Qantas Aircraft? Are they different to the normal Boeings/Airbus the rest of us use?? I think not.
Like I said above I support AIPA ALAEA 100% in your fight with off shoring but for goodness sake do you really need to degrade others to make your point??
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Do you support the Qantas strikers?
No - it's just union bullying
64.46% (758 votes)
Not if I'm delayed or charged more
9.78% (115 votes)
Yes - our safety is most important
17.94% (211 votes)
Read more: Julia Gillard threatens to step into Qantas industrial dispute | News.com.au
No - it's just union bullying
64.46% (758 votes)
Not if I'm delayed or charged more
9.78% (115 votes)
Yes - our safety is most important
17.94% (211 votes)
Read more: Julia Gillard threatens to step into Qantas industrial dispute | News.com.au
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The article is so one sided it is a joke. Not one comment from a union person explaining the reasons for what we are doing. It's like going to the AFL grand final and asking the punters whether they prefer AFL or tennis.
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That's not a really big sample size, and it's also skewed by being purely from people who respond to news websites selecting one of three specific options. It's a bit like the stuff you see on newspaper online comment sections (on all sorts of contentious issues, not just this one) which tend to be a bit of a scary mix of would-be dictators, banjo players, rabid communists and people who can't spell 'the'. 
Unlike us of course. We're the
people. 
Unlike us of course. We're the
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The ramblings from Canberra are scaringly like the premeditated moves from yet another labour government some 21 years ago.
I wonder how much sway opinion polls have on undecided readers, and how indicative they actually are of public opinion. It's really hard to tell whether they have an impact like the cyber equivalent of talk-back radio, or whether people just ignore them as white noise.
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"Always remember that the crowd that applauds your coronation is the same crowd that will applaud your beheading. People like a show".
Terry Prachett, Going Postal.
Works both ways...
Terry Prachett, Going Postal.
Works both ways...
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Just do it - Gillard tells unions and Qantas to negotiate
Just do it - Gillard tells unions and Qantas to negotiate
THE Prime Minister, Julia Gillard, has weighed in on the Qantas dispute, telling all parties to stop talking about negotiating and start doing it.
Her advice wasn't enough to stop hundreds of licensed aircraft maintenance engineers from walking off the job at Sydney Airport yesterday at 4pm for four hours, affecting 7600 domestic and international passengers and causing Qantas to cancel 17 flights and delay another 32.
The walkout came at a peak travel time, and as passengers headed to New Zealand for the Rugby World Cup.
''Qantas and the relevant unions say they want to negotiate this dispute, well I think they should get on and do it,'' Ms Gillard told ABC Radio yesterday.
Some positive signs emerged as the licensed aircraft maintenance engineers union, after a day of talks in Fair Work Australia in Sydney, decided to call off some of their planned strikes.
A four-hour strike at Qantas Engineering next Tuesday in Adelaide and rolling one-hour strikes around the country had been put on hold until Qantas's annual general meeting on October 28, when the need for them would be re-assessed, the union's federal secretary, Steve Purvinas, told a meeting of 300 members late yesterday. The union's ban on overtime remains.
It did little to appease Qantas.
''While we welcome the temporary postponement of some strike action, nothing the union has said today changes the damage that they have done to Qantas, the maintenance of our fleet and to our passengers,'' a Qantas spokeswoman, Olivia Wirth, said.
Qantas will ground five planes on Monday as maintenance banks up, slicing almost 100 flights a week from schedules.
The engineers' union and Qantas are back in talks on Thursday in Melbourne before Fair Work Australia.
Ms Wirth said the airline preferred to negotiate a fair deal with union, rather than have a third-party intervene.
Asked why the government would step into a dispute between a private, publicly-listed company and its employees, Ms Gillard said industrial relations law has long enabled governments to intervene in major industrial disputes.
''That's been a long-standing feature of workplace relations law; we have a comparable section in the Fair Work Act,'' Ms Gillard said.
The opposition accused the government of talking more than acting. The opposition employment spokesman, Eric Abetz, welcomed Ms Gillard's ''belated intervention'' but said the government needed to get more involved. ''Despite all of Labor's talk over the past 24 hours, we have yet to see any concrete plan from the government," he said. ''If Julia Gillard is going to act, then she should just do it.''
Senator Abetz also raised the spectre of an Ansett-style collapse if unions pushed too hard to the point where it seriously damaged Qantas's bottom line.
A failure by Qantas to genuinely negotiate could lead to greater industrial action from pilots, warned the Australian and International Pilots Association vice president, Richard Woodward.
He said the pilots have resisted challenging rostering arrangements, but that could be the next step.''We'd rather negotiate, but negotiation is the art of compromise, and at the moment we've seen zero compromise from the company.''
THE Prime Minister, Julia Gillard, has weighed in on the Qantas dispute, telling all parties to stop talking about negotiating and start doing it.
Her advice wasn't enough to stop hundreds of licensed aircraft maintenance engineers from walking off the job at Sydney Airport yesterday at 4pm for four hours, affecting 7600 domestic and international passengers and causing Qantas to cancel 17 flights and delay another 32.
The walkout came at a peak travel time, and as passengers headed to New Zealand for the Rugby World Cup.
''Qantas and the relevant unions say they want to negotiate this dispute, well I think they should get on and do it,'' Ms Gillard told ABC Radio yesterday.
Some positive signs emerged as the licensed aircraft maintenance engineers union, after a day of talks in Fair Work Australia in Sydney, decided to call off some of their planned strikes.
A four-hour strike at Qantas Engineering next Tuesday in Adelaide and rolling one-hour strikes around the country had been put on hold until Qantas's annual general meeting on October 28, when the need for them would be re-assessed, the union's federal secretary, Steve Purvinas, told a meeting of 300 members late yesterday. The union's ban on overtime remains.
It did little to appease Qantas.
''While we welcome the temporary postponement of some strike action, nothing the union has said today changes the damage that they have done to Qantas, the maintenance of our fleet and to our passengers,'' a Qantas spokeswoman, Olivia Wirth, said.
Qantas will ground five planes on Monday as maintenance banks up, slicing almost 100 flights a week from schedules.
The engineers' union and Qantas are back in talks on Thursday in Melbourne before Fair Work Australia.
Ms Wirth said the airline preferred to negotiate a fair deal with union, rather than have a third-party intervene.
Asked why the government would step into a dispute between a private, publicly-listed company and its employees, Ms Gillard said industrial relations law has long enabled governments to intervene in major industrial disputes.
''That's been a long-standing feature of workplace relations law; we have a comparable section in the Fair Work Act,'' Ms Gillard said.
The opposition accused the government of talking more than acting. The opposition employment spokesman, Eric Abetz, welcomed Ms Gillard's ''belated intervention'' but said the government needed to get more involved. ''Despite all of Labor's talk over the past 24 hours, we have yet to see any concrete plan from the government," he said. ''If Julia Gillard is going to act, then she should just do it.''
Senator Abetz also raised the spectre of an Ansett-style collapse if unions pushed too hard to the point where it seriously damaged Qantas's bottom line.
A failure by Qantas to genuinely negotiate could lead to greater industrial action from pilots, warned the Australian and International Pilots Association vice president, Richard Woodward.
He said the pilots have resisted challenging rostering arrangements, but that could be the next step.''We'd rather negotiate, but negotiation is the art of compromise, and at the moment we've seen zero compromise from the company.''
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QANTAS has received a rap over the knuckles for not allowing a motion of no-confidence in the chief executive, Alan Joyce, and the board to be put to shareholders later this month.
But two influential advisers to some of Qantas's largest institutional investors have recommended shareholders vote in favour of the airline's pay card for the senior executives.
The voting advice from CGI Glass Lewis and ISS Governance takes the wind out of the sails of attempts by unions and the Australian Shareholders' Association for investors to vote against the pay packages for Mr Joyce and the rest of his senior management team.
Although CGI has urged a vote in favour of all of the resolutions at Qantas's annual general meeting on October 28, it has taken exception to the company not allowing a motion of no confidence in Mr Joyce, the company's chairman, Leigh Clifford, and the rest of the board to be put to shareholders.
Qantas objected to the motion from a group of more than 100 shareholders to be aired on the basis that it would have ''no operative effect'' under company law. But the proxy adviser said Qantas had not given a good reason for not allowing it to be put to the meeting, adding that ''we do not agree that having 'no operative effect' is adequate justification''.
The chance for shareholders to have proposals raised at annual general meetings was a core right and ''any challenge to or derogation from that right by boards is a serious matter,'' CGI said.
''It is not for the chairman and his co-directors, who are the agents of shareholders, to offer their principals a halfway house to the Australian statutory shareholder right.''
Despite the government threatening to intervene in Qantas's damaging industrial relations dispute, unions are ramping up their action before the company's annual general meeting.
Their attacks on Mr Joyce's pay has been central to their campaign for job security clauses to be inserted into new enterprise agreements. His total pay this year rose from $2.92 million to $5 million, due largely to share-based payments increasing from $964,000 to $2.72 million.
But in urging a vote in favour, CGI said Qantas had aligned executive pay and the company's performance over the past year and Mr Joyce's pay was in line with his peers.
The proxy adviser described the accounting-based reporting of share-based pay for Mr Joyce as ''misleading'' because, while his reported pay was $5 million, ''his actual remuneration'' was just over $3 million. ISS has also urged investors to vote in favour of Qantas's remuneration report partly because it believed the hurdles for long-term incentives for Qantas executives were demanding.
Read more: Advisers knock down Qantas protest vote
But two influential advisers to some of Qantas's largest institutional investors have recommended shareholders vote in favour of the airline's pay card for the senior executives.
The voting advice from CGI Glass Lewis and ISS Governance takes the wind out of the sails of attempts by unions and the Australian Shareholders' Association for investors to vote against the pay packages for Mr Joyce and the rest of his senior management team.
Although CGI has urged a vote in favour of all of the resolutions at Qantas's annual general meeting on October 28, it has taken exception to the company not allowing a motion of no confidence in Mr Joyce, the company's chairman, Leigh Clifford, and the rest of the board to be put to shareholders.
Qantas objected to the motion from a group of more than 100 shareholders to be aired on the basis that it would have ''no operative effect'' under company law. But the proxy adviser said Qantas had not given a good reason for not allowing it to be put to the meeting, adding that ''we do not agree that having 'no operative effect' is adequate justification''.
The chance for shareholders to have proposals raised at annual general meetings was a core right and ''any challenge to or derogation from that right by boards is a serious matter,'' CGI said.
''It is not for the chairman and his co-directors, who are the agents of shareholders, to offer their principals a halfway house to the Australian statutory shareholder right.''
Despite the government threatening to intervene in Qantas's damaging industrial relations dispute, unions are ramping up their action before the company's annual general meeting.
Their attacks on Mr Joyce's pay has been central to their campaign for job security clauses to be inserted into new enterprise agreements. His total pay this year rose from $2.92 million to $5 million, due largely to share-based payments increasing from $964,000 to $2.72 million.
But in urging a vote in favour, CGI said Qantas had aligned executive pay and the company's performance over the past year and Mr Joyce's pay was in line with his peers.
The proxy adviser described the accounting-based reporting of share-based pay for Mr Joyce as ''misleading'' because, while his reported pay was $5 million, ''his actual remuneration'' was just over $3 million. ISS has also urged investors to vote in favour of Qantas's remuneration report partly because it believed the hurdles for long-term incentives for Qantas executives were demanding.
Read more: Advisers knock down Qantas protest vote
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And this is why so many supporters have been pushing the PR war as an issue.
Without public sentiment, the politicians don't give a rats (so as to speak). Save for the influence of the Tourism Australia,
The Rat PR war has worked a treat and achieved almost a full hand which is odd given what they were working with, but proves what everyone has been up against from day 1.
Without public sentiment, the politicians don't give a rats (so as to speak). Save for the influence of the Tourism Australia,
The Rat PR war has worked a treat and achieved almost a full hand which is odd given what they were working with, but proves what everyone has been up against from day 1.
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Originally Posted by victor two
....Obvious Low intelligence....
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The market has no interest in how many exams you are required to complete. The market is only interested in examining the cost ....
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Hey Julia, it will be fixed without you sticking your nose in.
Maybe you can 'just do it' and fix 23 years of regulatory reform that is still not completed?
Go stick your nose back in the trough and butt out.
Maybe you can 'just do it' and fix 23 years of regulatory reform that is still not completed?
Go stick your nose back in the trough and butt out.
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Dear Julia and Martin, this has been festering for years and now you tell us to negotiate??!!
Pull your poorly informed heads in and get the full story before losing the last 2 or 3 votes you had left.
Pull your poorly informed heads in and get the full story before losing the last 2 or 3 votes you had left.