Qantas announcement today
Well after nearly 20 years using airframes maintained by HAECO I have not had one single incident/emergency.........All of my close friends in the Harbour can say the same thing.
Runs on the board I'd say.
Runs on the board I'd say.
In order to cover the reduction in capacity at QF............
Virgin Australia is looking to source extra aircraft from both Air New Zealand and Etihad.
Etihad & NZ 320's on domestic runs, there probably won't be a shortage of volunteer expat EY 320 pilots to do a stint in Australia.
Source Julia Gillard threatens to step into Qantas industrial dispute | News.com.au
Virgin Australia is looking to source extra aircraft from both Air New Zealand and Etihad.
Etihad & NZ 320's on domestic runs, there probably won't be a shortage of volunteer expat EY 320 pilots to do a stint in Australia.
Source Julia Gillard threatens to step into Qantas industrial dispute | News.com.au
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............what is prolly the most disturbing part about all this BS from AJ & his lap dogs in the media etc is that the gen public are believing it all!!!!
I've been spoken to a few times now of late since this whole QF debacle blew up from people who work in a lolly shop for Eg, people who fix cars who run businesses that have nothing to do with aviation, they all know zip about aviation & still think that QF can do no wrong & believe that the unions are just greedy, that's the part that I feel awkward about, trying to tell these people that QF are as shiffy as a sh1t house rat, but they simply don't believe it knowing (to them) that all pilots engineers etc are overpaid!
The last thing we need in this industry is the Govt stepping in to lean on the unions but I wouldn't put it past them, they (the Govt) are just as shifty as QF) & are in bed with each other!
Christ this is an ugly time for aviation, put the seat belt signs on guys & hold on tight!!!!!!
Wmk2
I've been spoken to a few times now of late since this whole QF debacle blew up from people who work in a lolly shop for Eg, people who fix cars who run businesses that have nothing to do with aviation, they all know zip about aviation & still think that QF can do no wrong & believe that the unions are just greedy, that's the part that I feel awkward about, trying to tell these people that QF are as shiffy as a sh1t house rat, but they simply don't believe it knowing (to them) that all pilots engineers etc are overpaid!
The last thing we need in this industry is the Govt stepping in to lean on the unions but I wouldn't put it past them, they (the Govt) are just as shifty as QF) & are in bed with each other!
Christ this is an ugly time for aviation, put the seat belt signs on guys & hold on tight!!!!!!
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Stick to the Facts,
We know that Coward St is telling porkie pies but how do we disseminate this to the media.
Lets go back in recent history for a minute, April 4 2011
Fleet for sale as Qantas cuts flights
Surprise surprise…… only 11 more 738’s delivered from April.
Ok now lets see whats come since then
-VZL 34194 delivered 22/4/11
-VZM 34192 delivered 14/5/11
-VZO 34191 delivered 9/7/11
-VZP 39362 delivered 23/7/11
-VZR 34193 delivered 31/8/11
-VZS 39358 delivered 15/9/11
Since the announcement…..
-VZT 34186 delivered 15/10/11
Next that are due in the next couple months.
-VZU 34187
-VUV 34189
So we are parking 4 737-400 and have a planned (or actual) delivery of 3 737-800
And that leaves 2 more to be delivered in 2011 as per the smh article that was obviously produced from QF PR.
So what is it Alan? We are parking planes that were scheduled to be replaced anyway….
Ohhh those bad engineers that are forcing us to do this……… (thanks Oliva)
This is all open source information, all it takes is a little investigation…. But the media don’t do that anymore.
I am sure SP or someone else will know how to get this truth into the right hands.
Lets go back in recent history for a minute, April 4 2011
Fleet for sale as Qantas cuts flights
Surprise surprise…… only 11 more 738’s delivered from April.
Ok now lets see whats come since then
-VZL 34194 delivered 22/4/11
-VZM 34192 delivered 14/5/11
-VZO 34191 delivered 9/7/11
-VZP 39362 delivered 23/7/11
-VZR 34193 delivered 31/8/11
-VZS 39358 delivered 15/9/11
Since the announcement…..
-VZT 34186 delivered 15/10/11
Next that are due in the next couple months.
-VZU 34187
-VUV 34189
So we are parking 4 737-400 and have a planned (or actual) delivery of 3 737-800
And that leaves 2 more to be delivered in 2011 as per the smh article that was obviously produced from QF PR.
So what is it Alan? We are parking planes that were scheduled to be replaced anyway….
Ohhh those bad engineers that are forcing us to do this……… (thanks Oliva)
This is all open source information, all it takes is a little investigation…. But the media don’t do that anymore.
I am sure SP or someone else will know how to get this truth into the right hands.
Are the unions starting to play into AJ's hands? Just playing devils advocate but the total lack of wishing to consult properly with the unions astounds me, he is obviously doing this for the bigger picture.
The so-called grounding of aircraft (a farce) and reduction in flights (i bet they announce more even though "strike" action has stopped) has seen a increase in seat price and transfer of buisiness to other carriers, one of these being Virgin, but the worrying one is Jetstar. I can just hear Joyce when announcing the half yearly results how yield and load factor at Jetstar has increased to surpass that of Qantas domestic. Suddenly Qantas domestic isn't returning its cost of capital and he has the same argument as used with International and starts to reduce the domestic fleet while expanding Jetstar. Domestic loses everything except the capitals, while Jetstar expands with a new premium class to counter Virgin. Qantas dies a sad and slow death. The public are disgusted...but its too late, and the bonuses have been paid.
The unions need to be very careful where this dispute leads, I am starting to get the feeling that this is exactly what management want, I hope I am wrong.
The so-called grounding of aircraft (a farce) and reduction in flights (i bet they announce more even though "strike" action has stopped) has seen a increase in seat price and transfer of buisiness to other carriers, one of these being Virgin, but the worrying one is Jetstar. I can just hear Joyce when announcing the half yearly results how yield and load factor at Jetstar has increased to surpass that of Qantas domestic. Suddenly Qantas domestic isn't returning its cost of capital and he has the same argument as used with International and starts to reduce the domestic fleet while expanding Jetstar. Domestic loses everything except the capitals, while Jetstar expands with a new premium class to counter Virgin. Qantas dies a sad and slow death. The public are disgusted...but its too late, and the bonuses have been paid.
The unions need to be very careful where this dispute leads, I am starting to get the feeling that this is exactly what management want, I hope I am wrong.
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Strange how the threat of Government action resulted in cessation of planned ALEA escalation till 28th of October. I'm grateful, as I plan to travel overseas on the 20th. 
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Suddenly Qantas domestic isn't returning its cost of capital and he has the same argument as used with International and starts to reduce the domestic fleet while expanding Jetstar.
From the article:
What does Qantas need to do to compete against these airlines? If the Australian government is not willing or able to provide support, they should split out the international business and sell it to the government.
Under government ownership, the new international business will "internalise" the considerable benefits associated with inbound tourism.
Read more: Nationalise Qantas International!
Under government ownership, the new international business will "internalise" the considerable benefits associated with inbound tourism.
Read more: Nationalise Qantas International!
Will the shareholders will wake up after the event and realise that they have just been ripped off blind by the (former & current) management? It would seem that the custodians of their money might just be in on the game too. The 1% looking after themselves, screwing everyone else.
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As Capt Woodward has said AJ has not once stated his intent or willingness to resolve this, which leads me to think this is a ploy to other things.
The simple facts that:
A: staff have been treated like the enemy not only in the media (I refuse to call them journalists) but also in everyday operations for several years by QF management. Naturally there are always some disgruntled employees for one reason or another but the overwhelming percentage of any company's staff are there to work hard and succeed. When will QF ever see their people as their greatest asset? And,
B: this is a battle to the end that will not end well for any side. History will judge QF management as a way NOT to 'engage' their workforce into new paths.
The beatings will continue until morale improves.....
The simple facts that:
A: staff have been treated like the enemy not only in the media (I refuse to call them journalists) but also in everyday operations for several years by QF management. Naturally there are always some disgruntled employees for one reason or another but the overwhelming percentage of any company's staff are there to work hard and succeed. When will QF ever see their people as their greatest asset? And,
B: this is a battle to the end that will not end well for any side. History will judge QF management as a way NOT to 'engage' their workforce into new paths.
The beatings will continue until morale improves.....
Nunc est bibendum
Interesting reading 6000ft-lb. I hope you don't mind but I borrowed them for Qrewroom so that QF drivers are aware of Mr Ferguson's previous experiences with Qantas service.
It's all public domain taken from
http://www.openaustralia.org/regmem/...ests_10218.pdf
Be nice to get an updated list too - may prove interesting.
http://www.openaustralia.org/regmem/...ests_10218.pdf
Be nice to get an updated list too - may prove interesting.
To add credence to ANCDU's feelings:
**** ... we don't want the dopey Government fixing this ... we've got plans
No quick end to Qantas disruption - Joyce | News.com.au
P.S. Just some more thinking .....
Would it not be worth considering calling the Government's bluff ... and asking them to arbitrate a compromise solution ... ensuring that it was made clear that any solution that didn't include protection of QANTAS, and it's employees, from overseas pillaging and plundering ... would reflect disastrously on their electoral image.
Put the ball in their court. See how Australian or Un-Australian they really are.
On Friday, Prime Minister Julia Gillard warned all parties that the government may take action to prevent further strikes if a resolution is not reached.
However, Mr Joyce said he would prefer to deal with the unions directly.
"We've not been calling on the government to intervene," he said.
However, Mr Joyce said he would prefer to deal with the unions directly.
"We've not been calling on the government to intervene," he said.
No quick end to Qantas disruption - Joyce | News.com.au
P.S. Just some more thinking .....
Would it not be worth considering calling the Government's bluff ... and asking them to arbitrate a compromise solution ... ensuring that it was made clear that any solution that didn't include protection of QANTAS, and it's employees, from overseas pillaging and plundering ... would reflect disastrously on their electoral image.
Put the ball in their court. See how Australian or Un-Australian they really are.
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Never let the truth get in the way of a good story.
No quick end to Qantas disruption - Joyce | News.com.au
Qantas pilots, baggage handlers, catering staff and engineers went on a two hour stop work strike last week.
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And for another side to what 600ft-lb said, check the following which was forwarded to me today - not sure which business/company it comes from but feel free to guess.
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Nice post 600ft-lb, There is your reason for Fergo getting involved !!
Seems to me, and I have said this before, the politicians are scared that their Qantas trough may be taken away from them, hence their getting involved. This, once again, shows that the Pollies are self serving grubs concerned about themselves, not the constituents that pay them. Hang your heads in shame you turds. And don't forget dear taxpayer, a Pollies frequent flyer points (and there are many of those that get racked up on the endless business class flights they only travel on) are kept by the pollies ! Another nice rort.
In fact, does it not seem a little odd that CASA officers get to choose who they fly with, and the majority choose QF because again, they get to keep the frequent flyer points as well. But hey, no conflict of interest or nepotism there from the regulator who is meant to be unbiased, as they oversight industry in a fair manner???
Yep, the governments only supposed vested interest in the whole QF situation is to save for themselves rorts, perks, treats and any other nicety they can vacumn out of the trough with their snouts.....Pigs.
Seems to me, and I have said this before, the politicians are scared that their Qantas trough may be taken away from them, hence their getting involved. This, once again, shows that the Pollies are self serving grubs concerned about themselves, not the constituents that pay them. Hang your heads in shame you turds. And don't forget dear taxpayer, a Pollies frequent flyer points (and there are many of those that get racked up on the endless business class flights they only travel on) are kept by the pollies ! Another nice rort.
In fact, does it not seem a little odd that CASA officers get to choose who they fly with, and the majority choose QF because again, they get to keep the frequent flyer points as well. But hey, no conflict of interest or nepotism there from the regulator who is meant to be unbiased, as they oversight industry in a fair manner???
Yep, the governments only supposed vested interest in the whole QF situation is to save for themselves rorts, perks, treats and any other nicety they can vacumn out of the trough with their snouts.....Pigs.