Geoffery Thomas...again
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because new technology planes don't crash!!
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We're not back to AJ's frigging Datsun again, are we? 
Here's a thought...respect the people who service them and punt the vehicles off when they're past their used by date! Fleet Management 101...
Here's a thought...respect the people who service them and punt the vehicles off when they're past their used by date! Fleet Management 101...
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No end in sight to Qantas stoush - ABC Melbourne - Australian Broadcasting Corporation
At least they refer to him as an aviation commentator and not an expert for once.
At least they refer to him as an aviation commentator and not an expert for once.
"Unfortunately both sides have virtually dug themselves into very deep holes and unless there's a seismic shift in their views and their positions, this dispute, there is no end in sight for it," he said.
Mr Thomas says Qantas cannot capitulate on the key issues - pay rates for pilots and out-of-date maintenance practices.
Mr Thomas says Qantas cannot capitulate on the key issues - pay rates for pilots and out-of-date maintenance practices.
And with neither side likely to back down, Mr Thomas says the Government must take action.
"I think the Government has to step in. I think they have to legislate," he said.
"I absolutely support legislation that unions cannot bring an airline to its knees, because Qantas has almost 1,000 flights a day.
"I think the Government has to step in. I think they have to legislate," he said.
"I absolutely support legislation that unions cannot bring an airline to its knees, because Qantas has almost 1,000 flights a day.
"I mean, Qantas has to win. Qantas must win. And it's not a matter of whether I think the management of Qantas is good or the management of Qantas is bad, or whether the engineers are good or whether the engineers are bad, that's not the issue - it's what the public is prepared to pay for.
"So safety is no longer an issue; price, price, price, that's all."
"So safety is no longer an issue; price, price, price, that's all."
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"I mean, Qantas has to win. Qantas must win."
Wow, back to plutocracy are we? So much for thinking that went out in the Victorian Era. The more the world changes...
Time to read some Engels for a cheer up. 
Thomas is drawing a long bow between this and the waterfront dispute. It's not like they were going to offshore the entire waterfront. This is about offshoring an Australian company so that a few managers can cleanup on KPI bonuses.
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Doesn't Thomas ever shut up? I am in shock at how much brown matter can be regurgitated into main stream media by just one so called aviation commentator? Every time he comments the stench of excrement grows stronger? I would like to see him, Worthless and the Irishman compete in a '****e-a-thon', to see who could dribble the
most inaccurate, fanciful, deplorable and farcical story!
most inaccurate, fanciful, deplorable and farcical story!
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And today he crops up as en expert commentator on PNG incident.
Is there no end to this man's talents?
He is obviously the Ch 7 go to man, I wonder if anyone has ever questioned his expertise?
Is there no end to this man's talents?
He is obviously the Ch 7 go to man, I wonder if anyone has ever questioned his expertise?
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Just laziness
Given Ch 7 and the West Australian (GT's employer) are owned by the same group, they don't have to pay real money to get a real 'expert'.
And you get what you pay for..... in most cases!
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And you get what you pay for..... in most cases!
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I think that the best place for the unions to go in order to get their story across is the ABC or the Fairfax press.
Hopefully the majority of P & J class flyers watch the ABC and read Fairfax papers.
Why not:
Sky News: 33% owned by both Nine Entertainment, Seven West Media & BSkyB with News Corp having a 39.1% controlling interest in BSkyB.
7: Owned by Seven West Media and we already know who sponsors the Sunrise program.
9: 25% owned by Consolidated Media who in turn have Consolidated Press holding 45% and Seven Network Ltd holding 22%
10: 18% is held by Consolidated Press Holdings and Lachlan Murdoch holds 9% and that last name rings a bell
Plus 13% by WIN Corporation.
So what about regional Australia? Well:
Prime 7: is held 100% by Prime Media Grp but Lachlan Murdoch (that last name again) holds 8% of them and Seven Network holds 14.9% and Ten West Rural WA holds 50%
Win TV: is held 100% by WIN Corporation and WIN in turn hold 13% of 10 Network Holdings and 50% of Ten West Rural WA who I mentioned above.
What about the Macquarie Radio Network?
Whilst Singo might be the majority shareholder, old GD is a shareholder and Mark Carnegie is a director. Oh yeah and both Singo, GD, Carnegie and Peter Gregg were principal investors in Global Aviation Asset Management.
Hopefully the majority of P & J class flyers watch the ABC and read Fairfax papers.
Why not:
Sky News: 33% owned by both Nine Entertainment, Seven West Media & BSkyB with News Corp having a 39.1% controlling interest in BSkyB.
7: Owned by Seven West Media and we already know who sponsors the Sunrise program.
9: 25% owned by Consolidated Media who in turn have Consolidated Press holding 45% and Seven Network Ltd holding 22%
10: 18% is held by Consolidated Press Holdings and Lachlan Murdoch holds 9% and that last name rings a bell
Plus 13% by WIN Corporation.So what about regional Australia? Well:
Prime 7: is held 100% by Prime Media Grp but Lachlan Murdoch (that last name again) holds 8% of them and Seven Network holds 14.9% and Ten West Rural WA holds 50%
Win TV: is held 100% by WIN Corporation and WIN in turn hold 13% of 10 Network Holdings and 50% of Ten West Rural WA who I mentioned above.
What about the Macquarie Radio Network?
Whilst Singo might be the majority shareholder, old GD is a shareholder and Mark Carnegie is a director. Oh yeah and both Singo, GD, Carnegie and Peter Gregg were principal investors in Global Aviation Asset Management.
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Lets do the sums!
Hate him or not, he is getting the hottest prime time TV morning coverage to state his case against you to literally millions of the travelling public, meanwhile, you guys keep banging on across a couple of industry specific, union generated anti qantas threads on the DG section of pprune which attracts a couple hundered views from semi intersted web surfers.
I know who is getting more PR leverage on this issue .....and its not your side!
I know who is getting more PR leverage on this issue .....and its not your side!
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Hate him or not, he is getting the hottest prime time TV morning coverage to state his case against you to literally millions of the travelling public, meanwhile, you guys keep banging on across a couple of industry specific, union generated anti qantas threads on the DG section of PPRuNe which attracts a couple hundered views from semi intersted web surfers.
I know who is getting more PR leverage on this issue .....and its not your side!
I know who is getting more PR leverage on this issue .....and its not your side!
Also, it didn't help when the Fed Sec of the ALAEA states that passengers should fly other airlines during the next few months due to the ongoing disputes earlier this week. That statement alone got the most airplay on whinge back radio and didn't appear to help our cause any.
Hopefully, the AGM on October 28 gets a lot of the laundry aired and a few facts exposed about what is really going on within QANTAS. The intentional dismantling of the company bit by bit. This started back in 2005 with the shutting down of Heavy Maintenance in Sydney, and continued with the handing back of foreign operator contracts that were handled at S.I.T. These contracts were not lost due to our "high operational costs" but were abruptly ended and the "customers" told where to go and how to get there. Today S.I.T. Engineering only handles QF aircraft and are arms and legs for a couple of other airlines. Not even Jet* is handled.
The same thing is happening in Heavy Maintenance, Melbourne. Contracts have been signed with China to maintain the 738's. When the last of the 734's leave the company, so will the maintenance and many jobs. Just as they did in Sydney all those years ago.
These are sad times we live in. Not only for QF's sake, but for this country. People of all trades just want to work in a secure environment and be paid to be able to afford to live a reasonable lifestyle. I am tired of being told that we have to "move forward" and "that times have changed". In order to move forward, we have to go back a number of years to get sanity back into the workforce. Times haven't changed. People have, and it's the minority dictating to the majority that actually make a company work. Without the Pilots, Engineers, Check-in, Catering, Cabin Crew, Cleaning, Tech Records and the long list of employees that slog it out everyday to make the company run, the minority management wouldn't be able to pocket "their" bonuses off the backs of the workers.
Another thing to think about is this. AJ has stated that the International part of the business lost $200million. I find it baffling to say the least, that $250million is being spent to "upgrade" the 747 fleet to A380 status and the international sectors are slowly being stripped away to allow for the expansion of Jet*. Work that one out.
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he is getting the hottest prime time TV morning coverage to state his case against you to literally millions of the travelling public,
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I know who is getting more PR leverage on this issue .....and its not your side!
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I know who is getting more PR leverage on this issue .....and its not your side!
These figures are only valid over the 16 week rating period, outside of that, both morning programs drop to under half the above figures.
GT is a filler personality for slow ratings weeks and checking back to when he was on last the ratings for that morning was only about 196, 000 peak. Sunrise is big in hospitals, nursing homes, waiting rooms and ads to the ambiance around the breakfast table when mum is getting the kids ready for school...
These days the morning paper is the internet for credible news.
It is my view, most who watched Sunrise when GT made his guest appearance would have forgotten all about it by now..
It's a pity Journalism doesn't pay well. Like politicians - we get the journalists we deserve.
In the 80's Journalists as a group were tainted by that left-wing ideology that mandated that anything corporate or private enterprise was greedy and worthy of derision. It was a silly time but at least the general community good was the perceived ethos.
Now we have come full circle. Journalists are mere self-serving mouthpieces for the corporate entity that looks after them the best.
Simple fact: reporting favourably to Qantas or any other corporate monolith opens the possible of future employment or nice little back-handers now or later in life. Isn't it lovely when Journalist X checks in for our family holiday to NZ that he gets a business-class upgrade or lounge invitation?
Unions cannot offer that dangling carrot.
But biting that carrot relegates any Journalist or Politician to mere prostitute and denies them of any credibility whatsoever. Having said that, it would take a determined individual to resist the siren call of corporate benevolence.
The same applies for politicians of both persuasion (like the Howard Goverments' Transport Minister whose name escapes me but was known as The Minister for Qantas). And what an embarrassment Marn Ferguson is. A one-time union official now doing all he can to undermine the aviation unions. Is a board-position is in the offing?
And whilst we are all fickle (it takes one small pro-union article for all and sundry to hail Journalist A as the only unbiased aviation reporter in Australia) how can we compete with the filthy lucre that corporate giants lure journalists and politicians with?
Sitting in the retirement home, such "journalists" cannot hold their head high, they have forsaken any credibility with the endnote that appears something like this:
Journalist A travelled to PPRune courtesy of Qantas.
In the 80's Journalists as a group were tainted by that left-wing ideology that mandated that anything corporate or private enterprise was greedy and worthy of derision. It was a silly time but at least the general community good was the perceived ethos.
Now we have come full circle. Journalists are mere self-serving mouthpieces for the corporate entity that looks after them the best.
Simple fact: reporting favourably to Qantas or any other corporate monolith opens the possible of future employment or nice little back-handers now or later in life. Isn't it lovely when Journalist X checks in for our family holiday to NZ that he gets a business-class upgrade or lounge invitation?
Unions cannot offer that dangling carrot.
But biting that carrot relegates any Journalist or Politician to mere prostitute and denies them of any credibility whatsoever. Having said that, it would take a determined individual to resist the siren call of corporate benevolence.
The same applies for politicians of both persuasion (like the Howard Goverments' Transport Minister whose name escapes me but was known as The Minister for Qantas). And what an embarrassment Marn Ferguson is. A one-time union official now doing all he can to undermine the aviation unions. Is a board-position is in the offing?
And whilst we are all fickle (it takes one small pro-union article for all and sundry to hail Journalist A as the only unbiased aviation reporter in Australia) how can we compete with the filthy lucre that corporate giants lure journalists and politicians with?
Sitting in the retirement home, such "journalists" cannot hold their head high, they have forsaken any credibility with the endnote that appears something like this:
Journalist A travelled to PPRune courtesy of Qantas.
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Completely random question, but why the big dive on the week of the 13/06? Did nothing terrible happen?
TIMA9X raises an interesting point about free to air news and daily newspapers. If you're a news provider in this genre and you sign up to the 'news as entertainment' philosophy a la Sunrise and Today (in a swirl of sulphurous smoke and chalked pentagrams on the floor) you suddenly have to be...entertaining. Facts aren't entertaining. Credible commentary isn't entertaining. All the sensible people switched off when you went to the news-as-entertainment format so you have to stay entertaining, with all the emotive crap, inflammatory commentary, baldness cures and cute lil' koala stories that qualify as 'entertaining.' There's no room for boring old facts, because the people who want those aren't watching anyway.
The radio and the internet have the upper hand with actual news because they can constantly update their information. The paper and the broadcast are dead and outdated the minute they're printed/filmed, so there's nothing left in breaking news for them, hence news as entertainment (aka 'Come here stupid. We'll tell you what to think'). We're all getting so used to being called stupid and told what to think that there's a real scepticism building among the people with a degree of commonsense. Why are you telling me this? What's in it for you?
When it comes to news issues, everyone who cares already knows what happened and probably formulated an opinion. All that's left for the newspapers and broadcasts are emotive soundbites from opinionated people (aka 'experts'), infotainment and advertorial, all of which people are getting increasingly sceptical about. Which of these categories do GT et al fall under? Who knows...
Worrals travels everywhere courtesy of her own hard earned cash because no-one cares about her opinion enough to shout her a ticket/hotel room. She thinks this sucks and would be more than happy to do biassed opinion pieces about Flat Tyres outside Bourke and Why You Really Should Lock Your Motel Door in Thargo When You're The Only New Girl In Town AND scored the pub's last bottle of rum, if anyone would spring for the fare.
TIMA9X raises an interesting point about free to air news and daily newspapers. If you're a news provider in this genre and you sign up to the 'news as entertainment' philosophy a la Sunrise and Today (in a swirl of sulphurous smoke and chalked pentagrams on the floor
) you suddenly have to be...entertaining. Facts aren't entertaining. Credible commentary isn't entertaining. All the sensible people switched off when you went to the news-as-entertainment format so you have to stay entertaining, with all the emotive crap, inflammatory commentary, baldness cures and cute lil' koala stories that qualify as 'entertaining.' There's no room for boring old facts, because the people who want those aren't watching anyway. The radio and the internet have the upper hand with actual news because they can constantly update their information. The paper and the broadcast are dead and outdated the minute they're printed/filmed, so there's nothing left in breaking news for them, hence news as entertainment (aka 'Come here stupid. We'll tell you what to think'). We're all getting so used to being called stupid and told what to think that there's a real scepticism building among the people with a degree of commonsense. Why are you telling me this? What's in it for you?
When it comes to news issues, everyone who cares already knows what happened and probably formulated an opinion. All that's left for the newspapers and broadcasts are emotive soundbites from opinionated people (aka 'experts'), infotainment and advertorial, all of which people are getting increasingly sceptical about. Which of these categories do GT et al fall under? Who knows...
Worrals travels everywhere courtesy of her own hard earned cash because no-one cares about her opinion enough to shout her a ticket/hotel room. She thinks this sucks and would be more than happy to do biassed opinion pieces about Flat Tyres outside Bourke and Why You Really Should Lock Your Motel Door in Thargo When You're The Only New Girl In Town AND scored the pub's last bottle of rum, if anyone would spring for the fare.
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why the big dive on the week of the 13/06? Did nothing terrible happen?
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Originally Posted by victor two
Hate him or not, he is getting the hottest prime time TV morning coverage to state his case against you to literally millions of the travelling public, meanwhile, you guys keep banging on across a couple of industry specific, union generated anti qantas threads on the DG section of PPRuNe which attracts a couple hundered views from semi intersted web surfers.
I know who is getting more PR leverage on this issue .....and its not your side
I know who is getting more PR leverage on this issue .....and its not your side
We've seen from TIMA9X that the morning shows do not attract "millions" of viewers. Plus the viewers who actually do watch the morning shows are likely to be generally the same group of people. Plus not all of them are going to be "travelling public".
As for Pprune, it is a simple matter to glance across at the thread topic listing and you can see the number of views generated. It is not "a couple hundred". For the "QF LAME EBA Negotiations Begin" thread alone, it is past 385,000 views. For the "AUGUST 24TH - QANTAS" thread, it is over 280,000 views.
Now I can guarantee you as a regular Ppruner that I have not generated all those 280,000 thread views myself, even though it will be counting multiple views from individual people. There are clearly many people who view Pprune - an awful lot more than your "couple of hundred semi-interested web surfers".
Honestly, your arguments are so shallow and your statements so feeble that they are more a source of simple amusement than an input to a genuine debate.
So, Geoffrey Thomas... are you going to be an "aviation expert" and pass comment on the RB211 engine failures at Qantas after their latest incident?
I would expect any journalist with a shred of integrity to report on the fact that the required mod can not be completed in a timely manner due to Qantas outsourcing engine maintenance overseas - and also that there could be NO BETTER EXAMPLE of Qantas management placing profit before safety by offshoring this work.
Or will that just make your recent sunrise interview look like a load of horse-sh**?
I would expect any journalist with a shred of integrity to report on the fact that the required mod can not be completed in a timely manner due to Qantas outsourcing engine maintenance overseas - and also that there could be NO BETTER EXAMPLE of Qantas management placing profit before safety by offshoring this work.
Or will that just make your recent sunrise interview look like a load of horse-sh**?