Geoffery Thomas...again
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GT's online bio from thewest.com.au, says
You'd think a guy with his talents could look beyond the commerce slant and give a truly accurate report on the QANTAS PIA's. Those pay figures he quoted are so OTT he loses credence with us 'coalface' employees. Tres disappointing. 
Geoffrey Thomas has been in love with aircraft ever since his uncle – an engineer with Trans Australian Airlines – allowed him to clamber over Douglas DC-6Bs at Perth Airport in 1959.
After 25 years in commerce, Geoffrey turned his weekend hobby of writing articles on things that fly into a real job and was appointed the West Australian’s aviation writer in 1996.
Geoffrey took a break for five years in 2004 to write four books on the industry. Along the way, he picked up 23 national and international awards, including the The Royal Aeronautical Society/World Leadership Forums Aerospace Journalist of the Year in Paris in June 2009.
When not writing for The West Australian, Geoffrey is the Senior Editor for Washington DC-based industry journal Air Transport World and also makes regular appearances as an aviation commentator on Channel Seven’s Sunrise program.
After 25 years in commerce, Geoffrey turned his weekend hobby of writing articles on things that fly into a real job and was appointed the West Australian’s aviation writer in 1996.
Geoffrey took a break for five years in 2004 to write four books on the industry. Along the way, he picked up 23 national and international awards, including the The Royal Aeronautical Society/World Leadership Forums Aerospace Journalist of the Year in Paris in June 2009.
When not writing for The West Australian, Geoffrey is the Senior Editor for Washington DC-based industry journal Air Transport World and also makes regular appearances as an aviation commentator on Channel Seven’s Sunrise program.
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To be fair, GT says some pretty good stuff.. (I can't believe I just wrote that,) there is even a guest appearance from Alan Milne.. in fact, SP got some pretty good solid blows in as well! When I think about it, I almost felt sorry for Mr Milne, looked a little a caught out towards the end of his bit.... it's all too much all of sudden.... I'm speechless .... check it out, and it's not even damn Sunrise....
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From the clip..
STEVE PURVINAS: It doesn't surprise me that Qantas have bought the press out here today to say that aircraft have been grounded due to the engineer's dispute. What we have is documents that will show that these aircraft have been grounded because Qantas have announced in April that they were up for sale.
COMMENTATOR: Qantas conceded that at least one of the grounded aircraft has been marked for sale.
(CUE THE REVERSE GEAR BUZZER)
ALAN MILNE: One of them is, uuummmm, but I'd have to double check the regos and have a look at the ahhh, the fleet plan for you.
Got to laugh at QF getting caught out again. Purvinas called their bluff and they got caught out again. Now if these assclowns that run the airline had not mentioned anything about selling off the maggots in April, their grounding story would have been half believable to the press and public alike. I mean, its not like this dispute was never going to happen, so they could have had used this bull****e story to their advantage.
STEVE PURVINAS: It doesn't surprise me that Qantas have bought the press out here today to say that aircraft have been grounded due to the engineer's dispute. What we have is documents that will show that these aircraft have been grounded because Qantas have announced in April that they were up for sale.
COMMENTATOR: Qantas conceded that at least one of the grounded aircraft has been marked for sale.
(CUE THE REVERSE GEAR BUZZER)
ALAN MILNE: One of them is, uuummmm, but I'd have to double check the regos and have a look at the ahhh, the fleet plan for you.
Got to laugh at QF getting caught out again. Purvinas called their bluff and they got caught out again. Now if these assclowns that run the airline had not mentioned anything about selling off the maggots in April, their grounding story would have been half believable to the press and public alike. I mean, its not like this dispute was never going to happen, so they could have had used this bull****e story to their advantage.
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Nice job Fed Sec! 
Personally I think the media (Sunrise aka 'Qantas Today' excepted) have been fairly balanced in their reporting of the issue. Despite their superior advertising power and their PR behemoth, Qantas haven't had it all their own way by a long shot.
As for getting the PM involved, she can't resolve her own cabinet disputes let alone the Qantas punch up, so maybe it's better that the federal government stays out of it. Or... maybe they sniffed the wind and realised it would cost them their twenty remaining voters.
Personally I think the media (Sunrise aka 'Qantas Today' excepted) have been fairly balanced in their reporting of the issue. Despite their superior advertising power and their PR behemoth, Qantas haven't had it all their own way by a long shot.
As for getting the PM involved, she can't resolve her own cabinet disputes let alone the Qantas punch up, so maybe it's better that the federal government stays out of it. Or... maybe they sniffed the wind and realised it would cost them their twenty remaining voters.
I know I asked early on in this thread if Mr Thomas could make relative comparisons when he talks about qantas pilot salaries. But to save him from making the phone call I suggested, read this.........
Virgin gains as Qantas reels
and...
Got it now Geoff?
Virgin gains as Qantas reels
Mr Borghetti said pay differences between Virgin and Qantas pilots were only "single digit" and often existed because Qantas used larger aeroplanes.
They were available on industrial umpire Fair Work Australia's website, he said.
"I saw that line and must admit I did have a bit of a chuckle to myself," Mr Borghetti told an Australian British Chamber of Commerce lunch.
They were available on industrial umpire Fair Work Australia's website, he said.
"I saw that line and must admit I did have a bit of a chuckle to myself," Mr Borghetti told an Australian British Chamber of Commerce lunch.
Mr Borghetti said it was important to get the comparison right.
"We don't pay the same salaries for A380 and 747 pilots because we don't have A380s and 747s ... you've got to compare like for like, the bigger the aeroplane is, the more the salary is."
"We don't pay the same salaries for A380 and 747 pilots because we don't have A380s and 747s ... you've got to compare like for like, the bigger the aeroplane is, the more the salary is."
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Guys,
FA 18 is a known troll. Also masquerades as 'Conan' on F16.net-that I am sure of (same arrogant writing style, etc). Just growing tired of his empty threats to censor others, call in mods, etc. People are entitled to express their point of view, no matter if they are anti or pro Qantas. Simple.
Cheers
FA 18 is a known troll. Also masquerades as 'Conan' on F16.net-that I am sure of (same arrogant writing style, etc). Just growing tired of his empty threats to censor others, call in mods, etc. People are entitled to express their point of view, no matter if they are anti or pro Qantas. Simple.
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Chew some concrete Geoffrey, there is a helluva lot at stake here and unbiased reporting seems to have been the first casualty, has it occurred to you that those being misreported might actually bite back?
I spoke to Geoff yesterday and he told me he will not be reading Pprune any more.
Obviously he's quite happy to reply to threads where he has won a journalism award, but call him on having his hands in Qantas' pockets - and suddenly he won't be reading Pprune any more?
That stinks. Did he really think he could just slag off a group of 35,000 employees and not expect them to call his bluff and his lies?
Journalism in this country is a national disgrace, and in the majority of cases, represents nothing other than corporate sponsored advertising.
Ben Sandilands is an exception to the rule.
Who needs PPrune when one can casually peruse a QF press release
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I don't know how common this knowledge is, but former QF CEO Dixon and CFO Peter Gregg both served as Chairman and directors of Orange Star Investment Holdings, based in Singapore that owned Jetstar Asia and Valuair. Alan Joyce was also a director of Orange Star Investment Holdings, which is now Newstar Investment Holdings.
Here are some articles showing the "relationship" between these people and what is now becoming QF's International Airline based in Asia.
Infratil - Airport Industry News: Jetstar Asia, Valuair bring no cheer to Qantas (5 September 2008)
Asia Times Online :: Southeast Asia news and business from Indonesia, Philippines, Thailand, Malaysia and Vietnam (Asia Times July 2005)
Jetstar Asia still flying at a loss | CAPA (September 2009)
Jetstar to take on Tiger with revamp (The Age April 2009)
Bruce Buchannan, CEO of Jetstar Group is a director of Newstar Investment Holdings as is David Hall, former IT Chief in QF and now CEO of Jetstar Australia/NZ.
This is more than QF engineers or pilots being the best in the world. This is more than Geoff Thomas' reporting skills.
This is more about the systematic dismantling and shrinking of QANTAS and the labour force within Australia and shifting it offshore, so as to maintain the bonuses and outrageous payments to these individuals while they grow "their" airline at the expense of Australia's airline and jobs.
Alan milne's slip the other day on Lateline is the first of many. Hopefully the slip will become a slide down a steep gradient and make the management of QF accountable for their actions and hoepfully save what's left of QANTAS.
Here are some articles showing the "relationship" between these people and what is now becoming QF's International Airline based in Asia.
Infratil - Airport Industry News: Jetstar Asia, Valuair bring no cheer to Qantas (5 September 2008)
Asia Times Online :: Southeast Asia news and business from Indonesia, Philippines, Thailand, Malaysia and Vietnam (Asia Times July 2005)
Jetstar Asia still flying at a loss | CAPA (September 2009)
Jetstar to take on Tiger with revamp (The Age April 2009)
Bruce Buchannan, CEO of Jetstar Group is a director of Newstar Investment Holdings as is David Hall, former IT Chief in QF and now CEO of Jetstar Australia/NZ.
This is more than QF engineers or pilots being the best in the world. This is more than Geoff Thomas' reporting skills.
This is more about the systematic dismantling and shrinking of QANTAS and the labour force within Australia and shifting it offshore, so as to maintain the bonuses and outrageous payments to these individuals while they grow "their" airline at the expense of Australia's airline and jobs.
Alan milne's slip the other day on Lateline is the first of many. Hopefully the slip will become a slide down a steep gradient and make the management of QF accountable for their actions and hoepfully save what's left of QANTAS.
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GT has a live chat scheduled tomorrow so you can tell him what you really think.
Qantas dispute - The West Australian
Enjoy.
Beyond.
Qantas dispute - The West Australian
Enjoy.
Beyond.
GT was on the ABC Drive program in Perth this evening. He basically parrots the Qantas management line. He sees Qantas as having to go offshore to lower its costs. If the Australian government doesn't change its aviation policies, then he is probably right. Pity we can't send our politicians to Asia to cut costs. 
