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Old 26th May 2011, 11:43
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Unhappy Future of Qantas in jeopardy: Joyce (Merged)

7.30 - ABC

Link to the segment is at top-right. AJ comes across very negative and whiney. Labelling the leadership of AIPA as "rogue" seems to be their latest line of attack.
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Old 26th May 2011, 12:08
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Of course the Qantas board has no responsibility for the state of Qantas at the moment does it.
How many million has been lost in fines for price fixing, but of course the board didn't know anything about that did they....but hang on isn't their job to know?
How many million did they give to Dixon for staying on for stability after the debacle he created with the buyout?
Non reclining seats in Jetstar aircraft good idea that one.
Aircraft selection, how is that Dallas route going anyway?
Outsourcing engine maint seems to be working a treat.
Putting "The Australian Spirit" on a ZK rego aircraft with NZ crews.
I know one job that might be in trouble.
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Old 26th May 2011, 12:23
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Just the usual argy bargy from both sides, neither saying to much to inspire. Expect more froth and bubble, until one does something drastic. Then it will hit the fan. Or might never, and sometimes thats best.
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Future of Qantas in jeopardy: Joyce

May 26, 2011 - 10:24PM .

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The future of Qantas as an international carrier is in jeopardy, the airline's CEO Alan Joyce says.

Fair Work Australia on Thursday approved a ballot allowing long-haul pilots to vote on taking industrial action for the first time in 45 years.

"The continued claim that they are going to take industrial action ... is an attempt at further damaging the brand," Mr Joyce told the ABC's 7.30 program on Thursday.

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"Unfortunately, this is the way some of these rogue union leaders think."

The pilot's demands, which include wage increases - with the Australia and International Pilots Association (AIPA) pushing for a rise of two-and-a-half per cent over three years - would result in job cuts, Mr Joyce said.

"They are demands the company cannot agree to and they are demands that will result in job losses in this company," he said.

Mr Joyce labelled both the engineers' and pilots' union leaders as "rogues" who the company was "going to have to stand up to".

Qantas puts the cost of the demands at more than $300 million but the pilots' association says the figure is more like $90 million.

"There are certain demands I cannot concede to because it will endanger the survival of the company," Mr Joyce said.

"Our international business is losing money, our international business, if these demands are met, will go back even further."

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Old 26th May 2011, 13:05
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Of course none of the crap management decisions have anything to do with it do they Alan
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Old 26th May 2011, 13:08
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Same Ole Same Ole

Same rhetoric,different accent.Dixon is obviously AJ's scriptwriter of choice.
How many years have we listened to this monotonous crappe?
Spend some money on mainline,re engage the workforce.It Ain't hard Al
When having his op it didnt impair his ability to pull figures out of his bottom.
$300 mill.Give us a break
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Old 26th May 2011, 13:16
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Joyce: GD's new spin doctor, puppet of Clifford.

If Qantas pilots do nothing, there will be job cuts due to the outsourcing of OUR jobs. If we fight there will be job cuts. Sorry Alan, Al if I may, im not going to sit on the sidelines and watch you take a bonus back to your 'partner'. Im fighting this, WE are fighting this all the way.

Enjoy your reduced bonus.

Oh and what is with the Chief Pilot sending out emails being a "company man"? Dude, aren't you meant to be on the pilots side?

Lets bring the WHOLE place down, Jetstar and all, fcuk em!!!
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Old 26th May 2011, 13:19
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The blessings of being in charge.
1/You get a large say in how much you are paid.
2/You take credit for when times are good.get a pay rise
3/You blame anyone and anything else when times are bad.Get a pay rise.
4/Because you are in charge people listen to your spin (not too critically usually) and have a better chance at selling your side of the story.

However , reading some press of late maybe people are waking up to the spin.People are wondering why it is that Qantas is having so much trouble with its people, its products and its equipment.
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Old 26th May 2011, 13:25
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Whose Future?

Joyce should be worried about his own future.
Its hurtling towards him at mach.85
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Old 26th May 2011, 13:28
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Lets bring the WHOLE place down, Jetstar and all, fcuk em!!!

Typical selfish Okker attitude.

What about your other 30,000 fellow employees and their mortgages and families?
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Old 26th May 2011, 13:34
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"Our international business is losing money, our international business, if these demands are met, will go back even further."
The International business is losing money Mr Joyce, because YOU and your boardroom peers have failed to invest in the product. You have failed to innovate the product.

Engineers and pilots are NOT the ones "damaging the brand". I am fed up with hearing this rhetoric. It is those in your position who are doing the damage.

Get your noses out of the money trough and start taking notice of your customers.
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Old 26th May 2011, 13:46
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Looks like Alan Joyce is setting this all up for the big one. It will be interesting if the board let him take this airline to the brink.

It's one thing to talk tough during a negotiation, the way he is going about 'negotiating', since the beginning is by using misinformation through the media painting the employee groups as evil people hell bent on destruction.

Most of us were here before you AJ, we'll be here long after as well.

Good luck Alan
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Old 26th May 2011, 14:15
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For once I agree with the CEO - the future of the airline is jeopardy.

The only thing we disagree on is the reason why.
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Old 26th May 2011, 15:55
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Game on!

Mr Joyce labelled both the engineers' and pilots' union leaders as "rogues"
So sad. AJ these "Rogues"where loveable for 80 years until your current lot of managers stepped in with a set of dodgy calculators.

When J* was a pup the Q PR machine spouted the brands would never clash. In reality, it appears the opposite has happened. Turning on the pilots & engineers is not the reason the Q bottom line is in a mess, (creatively speaking,) it's the way it has been managed. I believe the media is a wake up to that this time. I thought Richard Woodward came over well on the 7.30 report.
This will quickly become a huge international aviation story with a continued following, spread far and wide.

Qantas pilots stand to pocket $200,000 each | The Australian

and here already,

The Himalayan Times : Qantas pilots may stage first strike in 45 years - Detail News : Nepal News Portal

Funny enough, back in Ireland EI management are taking a different view on a similar situation. EI was a basket case for years until this CEO came along with a fresh approach that dogged the airline since the1990s. The CEO at EI has quickly gained worldwide respect and is reported on in all the worlds aviation press, he has no blinkers and comes over positive with his staff which is quite a change from EIs past in IR. Perhaps AJ should take a look back in the old country for a few other clues in dealing with IR situations..

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Ground crew parking an Aer Lingus aircraft at Dublin Airport in the Republic of Ireland.


Ireland's Aer Lingus will look at trying to get reductions in airport charges and fuel costs before it considers another round of job and pay cuts, the airline said on Friday.
Faced with “awful” economic conditions in its home market, higher fuel costs and constant pressure from its larger and leaner rival Ryanair, Aer Lingus is considering ramping up existing cost-cutting measures to cement its hard-won return to profit.
Chief Executive Christoph Mueller told reporters on the sidelines of the company's annual meeting that the group was not about to replicate its existing cost-cutting programme, known as “Greenfield”, which has saved it 72 million euros but triggered an expensive bout of industrial action earlier in the year.
my bold

Christoph Mueller (German I believe) is handling the situation with a fresh approach, looking elsewhere, moving on from the old way of doing things, namely pointing a finger (sledge hammer) at the staff.

Qs management focus is wrong for the current climate with competition.
AJ, The unions are willing to talk, why can't you? Why does it have to be a war?
Hard ball tactics avoidable, outdated and totally unnecessary.
Update Q shareprice $2.06 as of 25-05-11

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Old 26th May 2011, 17:50
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It's quite interesting reading all of Margaret Jacksons stuff --- about the Board fearlessly planning the future of the airline and being responsible for everything.

....and now the pilots and engineers are going to destroy everything with their bare hands???

Some Board.
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Old 26th May 2011, 21:32
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They are demands the company cannot agree to and they are demands that will result in job losses in this company," he said. Mr Joyce labelled both the engineers' and pilots' union leaders as "rogues" who the company was "going to have to stand up to".
Qantas puts the cost of the demands at more than $300 million but the pilots' association says the figure is more like $90 million.

Read more: Qantas future in jeopardy over $300m demands: Joyce

Mr Joyce I thought this dispute was about a job security clause in the EBA an not monetary issue ????? So what is


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Old 26th May 2011, 21:50
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Lies, Lies, Lies........
2.5% a year and job security - Thats the headline.
Stay strong lads, Good luck - everyone in Aus Aviation is standing behind you.
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Interesting; Delta Airlines gets into financial trouble the employees chip in and buy the company a B767. Qantas starts doing it tough some employees start actions to make it worse.
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Old 26th May 2011, 22:21
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Way to go Alan
Stop your whinging and get on with the job of steering the ship.
Everyone is tired of seeing you in the media crying foul over everything be it
fuel,competition,staff, unions yadda yadda !!!
Why is he so hell bent on locking horns with his own staff !!
Just get on with it Alan or hand over the ship to someone else and fast. !!
Iceberg at 12 O'clock !!
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Old 26th May 2011, 22:43
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Completely different senario. Delta had LEADERSHIP ! See what happens when you have staff on side! They buy you an aircraft. They didn't have management that were trying to sell out their jobs to the lowest bidder. They "Worked Together" to turn things around. They didn't engage the staff as the enemy.

It's time to go...........Alan.
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