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Future of Qantas in jeopardy: Joyce (Merged)

Old 28th May 2011, 08:17
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Put yourself in his shoes for a moment. He is probably highly annoyed at all the emails he has gotten from pilots over this
Biggest load of crap. And I'm highly annoyed that this journalist is convincing the public, who pay my wage and keep me in a job, that I'm apparently earning shi*loads more than I really am and yet still complaining. He's a journalist, if he can't handle pilots giving him a bit of perspective and more realistic facts, then
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Old 28th May 2011, 08:47
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Future of Alan Joyce in jeopardy

Oh I hope so . . .

Hopefully the shareholders - in particular the institutions that hold approx 70% of the company - are starting to think this way too.

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Old 28th May 2011, 08:51
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Thank you Brown Hornet, I agree completely.
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Old 28th May 2011, 08:56
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Lets FCKUNI hope so !!

The Clown is way out of his depth.

Send him back to Tipperary .....to be sure x2 !!

Ireland are in desperate need for someone with his intellect and people skills-maybe he could get a job in a War Museum-------he seems to know a lot about Japanese Fighter Pilots.

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Old 28th May 2011, 09:10
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he would be feeling that these pilots are insulting, arrogant, ignorant, and childish.
What, like the stuff he is writing (or at least which is being published under his name)?
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Old 28th May 2011, 09:34
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We need to 2nd in charge to head back to mines and dig a hole. It seems its the only thing he is good at.
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Old 28th May 2011, 09:35
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Reckon the following two quotes from the public press aptly sum up the future of Qantas -
Qantas and Jetstar as well as every major airline from Japan to the Middle East will be reviewing their strategies and outlook following Singapore Airline’sdecisionto launch a medium to long range wide bodied low fare carrier.
In the big picture the filing by the Qantas pilot union for court protected industrial action in pursuit of a new enterprise agreement begs the question as to whether Australian businesses can survive as such in global markets.
Clearly a worry
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Old 28th May 2011, 09:56
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Globalmaster, will any market survive whats coming? The Economic Death Spiral Has Been Triggered.

After you have read that tell us how the imbalances on both sides of the equation (Western consumers and Asian producers) can be re-balanced without the system imploding. Like double entry bookkeeping, every credit must have a corresponding debit.

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Old 28th May 2011, 10:47
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It seems kind of ironic that one of the key enablers of globalisation, jet aviation is one of the least globalised industries one could imagine. Restrictions on flight plans, slots, foreign ownership and soverign owned entities.... No wonder we have all of these problems - we exist in a no mans land which won't be sorted out until we fully liberalise or nationalise (and lets be honest - what western government could successfully run an airline)the sector. Either way, it will be a rocky, tumultuous ride.
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Old 28th May 2011, 10:57
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Who would you suggest to take over the position then?

I'm not so sure Borghetti would jump ship again..
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Old 28th May 2011, 11:07
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Breakfastburrito, touché!
Unfortunately what many people are not discussing is that a complete and utter collapse of the United States monetary system is imminent. GFC 2008 was nothing, just a minor bubble in the scheme of the economic health of the world.
Bubble number 2 is close to bursting. If you thought banks and financial stalwarts going bust within a few days was shocking wait until the real bubble bursts. We are talking about entire Countries becoming bankrupt (it has already started), the collapse of the Euro (has commenced) and the complete self destruction of the USD (that process is almost complete).
Either way, it will be a rocky, tumultuous ride.
Unfortunately yes. The storm that is brewing is like no other financial annihilation that has ever been recorded in history. And as for the strategists, footstools and he ignorant, just a look around our own Australian backyard. Apart from the resource sector there is huge unemployment, house prices have dropped around Australia by 10 -50% depending on location, I dare anybody to prove me wrong. Record numbers of bankruptcies, fraud, robberies and other social ills are further evidence of a country in decline, we are sliding at an ever faster rate. Charities cannot cope with the amount of people requesting welfare, there is no longer a middle class of people and many can no longer afford food fuel, water and electricity………all this, already in our own backyard.
Tick tock.
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Old 28th May 2011, 11:17
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Who would you suggest to take over the position then?
A starting point should be somebody who actualy has a diverse background in aviation, and I am talking about someone who does have a technical and financial background, both in aviation.

Those who need not apply should include but not be limited to;
Egotistical bigots
Past or future members, employees, mates of BCG
Anybody who respects John Winston Howard or G.Dixon
Anybody who has so much as shared a coffee or a Guiness wit da little fella
Etc etc.....
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Old 28th May 2011, 11:23
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Thread creep on.

Breakfastburrito when you purchase goods and services how many of those companies buy stuff from you?

You must, like all of us, have a HUGE trade imbalance with your local petrol station for starters - is that a problem for you?

The west buying cheap stuff from the east is not the problem. The problem is that we have used credit to do so.

The main underlying problem is that our politicians have inflated our currencies to the point of being near worthless - and believe me the ONLY people who create inflation are politicians - at 'our' behest which is the truly sad part. The REAL disparity between the west and east is inflation - we have had HUGE inflation and they have had little.

When politicians rant about trade imbalances they are miss directing your attention like a magician does. While you're watching their left hand they are fisting you with their right.

Thread creep off.
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Old 28th May 2011, 11:26
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Who would you suggest to take over the position then?
A true leader!!

Doesn't necessarily need to have a background in Aviation. A charismatic leader who can rally and re-motivate the troops supported by a senior management team (existing post holders need not apply) who have the technical expertise and management style to save and grow the airline.

More to Follow

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Old 28th May 2011, 11:42
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If the Board of directors were 1/2 smart they'd make Rob Fyfe an offer he couldn't refuse.

If you look at the success he's had with Air New Zealand, you can only imagine what he could do with the fallen dynasty that is the Qantas Group.

But we all know the Qantas Board are a long way off 1/2 smart!
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Old 28th May 2011, 11:58
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Old 28th May 2011, 12:10
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This topic was just as relevant 3 years ago, but he survived. Kind of next...
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Old 28th May 2011, 12:29
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Originally Posted by FGD135
The naivety and arrogance shown in the last few posts is breathtaking. Are you guys actually trying to get everybody offside?

"Joe, you're our new Qantas pilot dispute reporter. Do a column on these greedy pigs. All you need to know is in the fax."
Incredibly insulting to all journalists - but you would be blissfully unaware of that. You have absolutely no idea. You probably think that integrity is the exclusive domain of pilots.
It is what it is.

The reporting in some quarters has been totally devoid of context.

Interpret it however you like........
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Old 28th May 2011, 14:46
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Sorry to admit Burrito, the end of Capitalist Economies Scenarios is beyond my pay grade. Making sense of the airline industry is hard enough.

Closer to home, it would seem from what is going down, that in order for Qantas to survive what is on the way, the Company will first have to make Qantas and Jetstar independent and then merge Jetstar with another LCC and Qantas with another Legacy Carrier.

Changes to the Qantas Sale Act permitting, achieving this may save the day, but until the warring stops and all concerned start talking constructively, Management and the Unions are just 'fiddling while Rome burns'.
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Old 28th May 2011, 23:39
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You probably think that integrity is the exclusive domain of pilots.
It certainly 'aint the domain of Joe whatshisname that's for sure.
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