Jetstar to start recruiting
You hit it on the head, it is a filler day. It is pretty much the same as a Day Off except for the fact that if asked to work and you agree there is no day off payment.
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cheers for that..
Im guessing these DFD days in your roster will vary from month to month as to how busy everyone is as well?
I could see how if there was plenty of work you would do well financially on the flex line contract but if it was quiet yeh could be a pain in backside
Im guessing these DFD days in your roster will vary from month to month as to how busy everyone is as well?
I could see how if there was plenty of work you would do well financially on the flex line contract but if it was quiet yeh could be a pain in backside
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because I don't want to hear new recruits complaining about it in 6 months time.
Flexi line is there to smooth out the peaks and troughs therefore int the busy months you will do about 75 hrs and the quiet months you will on the minimium, 50 something hours.
quiet times will be approx 6 out of the 12 months in the year.
You have been warned, ignore the spin HR puts on it Jetstar lies to new recruits ALL the time
Flexi line is there to smooth out the peaks and troughs therefore int the busy months you will do about 75 hrs and the quiet months you will on the minimium, 50 something hours.
quiet times will be approx 6 out of the 12 months in the year.
You have been warned, ignore the spin HR puts on it Jetstar lies to new recruits ALL the time
Yes DFD's will vary, basically your roster will be built along the lines of:
Days Off + Flying Days (Balanced amongst the pilots)
After these are placed on your roster the remaining days are allocated as DFD's as there is nothing else to put there.
Days Off + Flying Days (Balanced amongst the pilots)
After these are placed on your roster the remaining days are allocated as DFD's as there is nothing else to put there.
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Do you how long guys can expect to be on this agreement until offered full-time?? 24months? or bit longer?
There is a max %age of the pilots that can be flexi line, so you'll need to be senior enough to bid out of it. How long that takes is anyones guess.
Also, don't ever expect to get school holidays or Xmas/New Years off ever again. No one has been getting leave over the busy periods. Curious, when MEL based Capts were no where near 75hrs and even had DFD's.
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cheers waren,
just really trying to workout if should gamble on this to get a foot in the door until full-time comes around.. but yeh a lot of reasons not to!! With everyman and his dog trying to get into Virgin just makes choices tough..
just really trying to workout if should gamble on this to get a foot in the door until full-time comes around.. but yeh a lot of reasons not to!! With everyman and his dog trying to get into Virgin just makes choices tough..
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There was a time there for a bit, you couldn't even be sure your offer would be an Aussie base. I think there are a few in NZ that found that out the hard way. There have been some resignations to Tiger recently from NZ pilots being refused Aussie bases.
As has been said earlier, at the interview and in subsequent conversations, you WILL be lied to.
As has been said earlier, at the interview and in subsequent conversations, you WILL be lied to.
Ahhhh, but there is an option Guru! Correct in not answering is the first key on a DFD, the second one is you've amazingly "had a beer", so that renders you unusable. Nothing in the 'crap' agreement that says you can't drink on ya days off or DFD's! 
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Interesting that some believe that you must go in when you answer the phone on a DFD. Probably because someone in screwing may have stretched the truth to you in the past when they say you must go to work.
My understanding is that DFD's were introduced because alot of shifts finish late and you can't have a late finish followed by an off day so the DFD will usually sit between the two.
My understanding is that DFD's were introduced because alot of shifts finish late and you can't have a late finish followed by an off day so the DFD will usually sit between the two.
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Anyone know how many F/O's they have based out of Darwin?? Will all of them be eligible to bid for the vacancies in the FSO??
Anyone know if start out on the flexi line how long it can take to become senior enough to bid onto full-time??
Anyone know if start out on the flexi line how long it can take to become senior enough to bid onto full-time??
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absolutely!!!
a disgrace that JPC didn't try to protect any new comers.. Given that their only offer could be the flexi line that they feel compelled to accept it.. But still just curious as to how it works to move to full time
a disgrace that JPC didn't try to protect any new comers.. Given that their only offer could be the flexi line that they feel compelled to accept it.. But still just curious as to how it works to move to full time
Biggles, I think in the end you just go to make the decision whether you want the job irrespective of flexi line or full time. I believe at this stage it is more than likely you will be offered flexi line, even if you are on flexi line atleast you have your name on the seniority list to bid for a full time contract further down the track.
Sadly it does Keg.
Interesting stats I came across some time ago when researching for the pre GFC expansions, and their effects on a certain regional airline.
The number of Australian CPL's issued (Australian citizens only) in 1991 was somewhere in the vicinity of just over a thousand. With the exception of the heady post Top Gun days of the mid eighties, this number had been relatively constant. As flying became much more commonplace among the general populous, many a starry eyed yuppie faced economic reality, and the constant wearing away of dreams by the sometimes cruel mistress that is GA took it's toll, this number declined at a fairly steady rate.
By 2004 the number of Australian CPL's issued to Australian citizens for that year had dropped to about 90+! So, in 13 short years the participation rate for the profession had declined by a factor of 10!
GA is now a shadow of it's former self, and by and large fewer young people see flying as the career it once was. The price of success? Perhaps. The trouble is, the far too clever for their own good micro managers, HR cretins, and airline bosses who now hold little or no depth of knowledge of the industry, have continued the decline by a constant attack on working conditions, and the once hallowed profession of Airline Pilot.
So what do these brainiac's then do? Incapable of recognizing the true nature of the problem, they compound it! Indentured and debt ridden 300 hour wannabee's in the RHS of Jet airliners. Flexi-line! Working conditions and pay packets constantly under attack in pursuit of the almighty KPI.
The end result. People that would never have made it to the RHS of a domestic jet a decade or so ago. People who haven't (through no real fault of their own) had the opportunity through a tough apprenticeship, to either comprehend, or to appreciate what the profession really means.
Why? Because these are now the only people they can get.
Where will it end? I shudder to think!
Interesting stats I came across some time ago when researching for the pre GFC expansions, and their effects on a certain regional airline.
The number of Australian CPL's issued (Australian citizens only) in 1991 was somewhere in the vicinity of just over a thousand. With the exception of the heady post Top Gun days of the mid eighties, this number had been relatively constant. As flying became much more commonplace among the general populous, many a starry eyed yuppie faced economic reality, and the constant wearing away of dreams by the sometimes cruel mistress that is GA took it's toll, this number declined at a fairly steady rate.
By 2004 the number of Australian CPL's issued to Australian citizens for that year had dropped to about 90+! So, in 13 short years the participation rate for the profession had declined by a factor of 10!
GA is now a shadow of it's former self, and by and large fewer young people see flying as the career it once was. The price of success? Perhaps. The trouble is, the far too clever for their own good micro managers, HR cretins, and airline bosses who now hold little or no depth of knowledge of the industry, have continued the decline by a constant attack on working conditions, and the once hallowed profession of Airline Pilot.
So what do these brainiac's then do? Incapable of recognizing the true nature of the problem, they compound it! Indentured and debt ridden 300 hour wannabee's in the RHS of Jet airliners. Flexi-line! Working conditions and pay packets constantly under attack in pursuit of the almighty KPI.
The end result. People that would never have made it to the RHS of a domestic jet a decade or so ago. People who haven't (through no real fault of their own) had the opportunity through a tough apprenticeship, to either comprehend, or to appreciate what the profession really means.
Why? Because these are now the only people they can get.
Where will it end? I shudder to think!