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I love that corporate speak 'preferred'. How many of the CZFOs met Voz minimums for FO upgrade? How many made the move 'vertically'? Anthill, you seem intent on defending to the death the company that got you back to Oz, congrats and good luck. Remember to keep playing the man instead of the game. The snide remarks about comprehension and my brain (how did you know) were fantastic.
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Snakecharma, with respect, I can only go on what I read in official documents. Opinions of what may or may have not been the case simply aren't valid as a source of information and I cannot accept them in forming conclusions. It's a bit like believing a rumour whilst ignoring a fact. Some punters here have essentially stated that the CzFOs employed in the early days had taken a dead-end job. I differ in my opinion of this based the FAQs sheet as a policy document. To form a conclusion based on rumours or other's personal opinions when there is other, more robust, data would be irrational.
If the original executive GM had had his way none of the virgin blue guys
would have been able to come over and pollute the "culture" of V.
I never heard him say this or anything like it. I do know that he was dismayed that many of those domestic people who applied and were given interviews simply didn't turn up. I did hear him say that if they lacked the courtesy to not show for an interview, then he wasn't interested in them at any stage down the track. I think that this is fair enough. I also think that anyone who did this should be subject to some form of company discipline; clearly they lack the maturity to be a captain. Or even an FO.
If the original executive GM had had his way none of the virgin blue guys
would have been able to come over and pollute the "culture" of V.
Snakecharma's recollection is correct. There was originally no intention to allow Crz FOs any promotion path into the domestic fleet. That changed a few years ago and they now have the chance to come over. They are now our colleagues and we should treat them like everyone else, with respect.
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Snakecharma is correct.
Anthill is making the assumption that the document was correct. I would suggest that this so-called document is either in error, or was published after the policy changed.
If VB guys wanted to go to V they had to resign lose all their sick leave and Long Service Leave and start again.
Likewise the Cabin Crew.
That's why many didn't go.
It was made in no uncertain terms that it was two separate operations and no movement was available between the two. It is also quite possible that the Voz Management were telling their guys one thing and the VB management telling theirs guys another and noone really knew what was going on. Certainly won't be the first time that's happened in a airline
Anthill is making the assumption that the document was correct. I would suggest that this so-called document is either in error, or was published after the policy changed.
If VB guys wanted to go to V they had to resign lose all their sick leave and Long Service Leave and start again.
Likewise the Cabin Crew.
That's why many didn't go.
It was made in no uncertain terms that it was two separate operations and no movement was available between the two. It is also quite possible that the Voz Management were telling their guys one thing and the VB management telling theirs guys another and noone really knew what was going on. Certainly won't be the first time that's happened in a airline
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It was made in no uncertain terms that it was two separate operations and no movement was available between the two.
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If VB guys wanted to go to V they had to resign lose all their sick leave and Long Service Leave and start again.
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Time for an update if anyone cares to elaborate?
You'll see all below and get the idea.
Worth noting if any minimum length of service agreement, bonding or upfront deposits/bank guarantee is applicable also as that changes the whole equation in some circumstances.
QANTAS
767 Captain - $227,760
737 F/O - $114,000
Virgin Australia
VAI B777:
Level/ CrFO/SFO/CA
1 $76,000 $135,000 $217,500
2 $79,000 $141,000 $226,000
3 $82,500 $148,000 $235,000
4 $85,500 $155,000 $244,500
5 $89,000 $162,500 $254,500
6 $92,500 $170,000 $264,500
7 $96,000 $178,000 $275,000
9% Super inclusive of the above. 10% additional for Training pilots (some SFOs are trainers). Allowances of about $180 per day on average. Overtime on top as well. Callout payment for working RDOs.
Type rating provided. 30 month return of service.
A330 Captain - $229,590
A330 F/O - NOW $125,275 to $149,234
737 Captain - NOW$205,473
737 F/O - NOW $113,010 to $133,557
E-jet Captain - NOW $173,174
E-jet F/O - NOW $95,246 to $112,563
A330 Captain - $193,000 NOW $229,590
A330 F/O - $126,000
737 Captain - $190,334
737 F/O - $104,684
E-jet Captain - $152,267
E-jet F/O - $83,747
TIGER CAPTAIN*
Base $171,000 + EFA $140 + Retention $10,000
Estimated Earnings;
577hrs $181,000
682hrs $195,700
787hrs $210,000
900hrs $226,220
TIGER FO Level 1*
Base $94,050 + EFA $70 + Retention NIL
Estimated Earnings;
577hrs $94,050
682hrs $101,400
787hrs $108,750
900hrs $116,660
TIGER FO Level 2*
Base $109,440 + EFA $70 + Retention $6,667
Estimated Earnings;
577hrs $116,107
682hrs $123,457
787hrs $130,807
900hrs $138,717
TIGER FO Level 3*
Base $114,570 + EFA $70 + Retention $6,667
Estimated Earnings;
577hrs $121,237
682hrs $128,587
787hrs $135,937
900hrs $143,847
JETSTAR CAPTAIN*
Base $163,418 + EFA $207.65 + Retention NIL
Estimated Earnings;
577hrs $163,418
682hrs $163,418
787hrs $163,418
900hrs $186,882
JETSTAR FO Level 1*
Base $89,880 + EFA $114.21 + Retention NIL
Estimated Earnings;
577hrs $89,880
682hrs $89,880
787hrs $89,880
900hrs $102,785
JETSTAR FO Level 2*
Base $98,051 + EFA $124.59 + Retention NIL
Estimated Earnings;
577hrs $98,051
682hrs $98,051
787hrs $98,051
900hrs $112,129
JETSTAR FO Level 3*
Base $106,222 + EFA $134,97 + Retention NIL
Estimated Earnings;
577hrs $106,222
682hrs $106,222
787hrs $106,222
900hrs $121,473
Strategic
A330 Captain
A330 F/O
A320 Captain
A320 F/O - $113,000
Cobham
B717 Captain - $158,000*
B717 F/O - $85,250 up to $100,750 after year 5
BAe 146 Captain - $158,000*
BAe 146 F/O - $85,250 up to $100,750 after year 5
DHC-8 Captain - $78,255
DHC-8 F/O - $46,940
Coastwatch DHC-8 Captain - $109,902
Coastwatch DHC-8 F/O - $65,941
Alliance
F100 Captain - $122,675
F100 F/O - $82,819
F50 Captain ?
F50 F/O ?
Skywest
A320 Captain - $165,000
A320 F/O - $107,250
F100 Captain - $128,848
F100 F/O - $83,751
F50 Captain - $97,244
F50 F/O - $63,209
Qantaslink
Q400 Captain - $92,863
Q400 F/O - $60,361
Q300/Q200 Captain - $86,789
Q300/Q200 F/O - $56,466
Regional Express
SF340 Capt - $82174
SF340 FO - $52269
"The New Aero-Duck"
BAe32 Captain - $64,862
BAe32 F/O - $46,559
RFDS QLD
B200, PC12, C208 Line pilot - Tier 1 $93784 Tier 2 $104817
Skippers
DHC-8 Captain -$89,168
DHC-8 F/O - $55,000*
E120 Captain - $88,816
E120 F/O - $55,000*
SA227 Captain - $70,855
SA227 F/O - $42,537
Brindabella (R.I.P.)
J41 Captain - $69,000
J41 F/O - $46,000
Metro Captain - $57,000
Metro F/O - $38,000
Express Freighters Australia
B737 Captain - $120,000
B737 F/O - $75,000
B767 Captain - $170,000
B767 F/O - $110,000
Air North
E170 Captain - ?
E170 F/O - ?
E120 Captain - ?
E120 F/O - ?
SA227 Captain - ?
SA227 F/O - ?
Skytrans
DHC-8 Captain - ?
DHC-8 F/O - ?
Network
F100 Captain - $140,000
F100 F/O - $85,000
E120 Captain - $85,000
E120 F/O - $55,000
Sharp Aviation
Metro Cpt -?
metro FO - ?
Hardy Aviation
Metro Captain - $75,000
Metro F/O - $52,000
C441 Captain - $70,000"
* = updated to recent posts
You'll see all below and get the idea.
Worth noting if any minimum length of service agreement, bonding or upfront deposits/bank guarantee is applicable also as that changes the whole equation in some circumstances.
QANTAS
767 Captain - $227,760
737 F/O - $114,000
Virgin Australia
VAI B777:
Level/ CrFO/SFO/CA
1 $76,000 $135,000 $217,500
2 $79,000 $141,000 $226,000
3 $82,500 $148,000 $235,000
4 $85,500 $155,000 $244,500
5 $89,000 $162,500 $254,500
6 $92,500 $170,000 $264,500
7 $96,000 $178,000 $275,000
9% Super inclusive of the above. 10% additional for Training pilots (some SFOs are trainers). Allowances of about $180 per day on average. Overtime on top as well. Callout payment for working RDOs.
Type rating provided. 30 month return of service.
A330 Captain - $229,590
A330 F/O - NOW $125,275 to $149,234
737 Captain - NOW$205,473
737 F/O - NOW $113,010 to $133,557
E-jet Captain - NOW $173,174
E-jet F/O - NOW $95,246 to $112,563
A330 Captain - $193,000 NOW $229,590
A330 F/O - $126,000
737 Captain - $190,334
737 F/O - $104,684
E-jet Captain - $152,267
E-jet F/O - $83,747
TIGER CAPTAIN*
Base $171,000 + EFA $140 + Retention $10,000
Estimated Earnings;
577hrs $181,000
682hrs $195,700
787hrs $210,000
900hrs $226,220
TIGER FO Level 1*
Base $94,050 + EFA $70 + Retention NIL
Estimated Earnings;
577hrs $94,050
682hrs $101,400
787hrs $108,750
900hrs $116,660
TIGER FO Level 2*
Base $109,440 + EFA $70 + Retention $6,667
Estimated Earnings;
577hrs $116,107
682hrs $123,457
787hrs $130,807
900hrs $138,717
TIGER FO Level 3*
Base $114,570 + EFA $70 + Retention $6,667
Estimated Earnings;
577hrs $121,237
682hrs $128,587
787hrs $135,937
900hrs $143,847
JETSTAR CAPTAIN*
Base $163,418 + EFA $207.65 + Retention NIL
Estimated Earnings;
577hrs $163,418
682hrs $163,418
787hrs $163,418
900hrs $186,882
JETSTAR FO Level 1*
Base $89,880 + EFA $114.21 + Retention NIL
Estimated Earnings;
577hrs $89,880
682hrs $89,880
787hrs $89,880
900hrs $102,785
JETSTAR FO Level 2*
Base $98,051 + EFA $124.59 + Retention NIL
Estimated Earnings;
577hrs $98,051
682hrs $98,051
787hrs $98,051
900hrs $112,129
JETSTAR FO Level 3*
Base $106,222 + EFA $134,97 + Retention NIL
Estimated Earnings;
577hrs $106,222
682hrs $106,222
787hrs $106,222
900hrs $121,473
Strategic
A330 Captain
A330 F/O
A320 Captain
A320 F/O - $113,000
Cobham
B717 Captain - $158,000*
B717 F/O - $85,250 up to $100,750 after year 5
BAe 146 Captain - $158,000*
BAe 146 F/O - $85,250 up to $100,750 after year 5
DHC-8 Captain - $78,255
DHC-8 F/O - $46,940
Coastwatch DHC-8 Captain - $109,902
Coastwatch DHC-8 F/O - $65,941
Alliance
F100 Captain - $122,675
F100 F/O - $82,819
F50 Captain ?
F50 F/O ?
Skywest
A320 Captain - $165,000
A320 F/O - $107,250
F100 Captain - $128,848
F100 F/O - $83,751
F50 Captain - $97,244
F50 F/O - $63,209
Qantaslink
Q400 Captain - $92,863
Q400 F/O - $60,361
Q300/Q200 Captain - $86,789
Q300/Q200 F/O - $56,466
Regional Express
SF340 Capt - $82174
SF340 FO - $52269
"The New Aero-Duck"
BAe32 Captain - $64,862
BAe32 F/O - $46,559
RFDS QLD
B200, PC12, C208 Line pilot - Tier 1 $93784 Tier 2 $104817
Skippers
DHC-8 Captain -$89,168
DHC-8 F/O - $55,000*
E120 Captain - $88,816
E120 F/O - $55,000*
SA227 Captain - $70,855
SA227 F/O - $42,537
Brindabella (R.I.P.)
J41 Captain - $69,000
J41 F/O - $46,000
Metro Captain - $57,000
Metro F/O - $38,000
Express Freighters Australia
B737 Captain - $120,000
B737 F/O - $75,000
B767 Captain - $170,000
B767 F/O - $110,000
Air North
E170 Captain - ?
E170 F/O - ?
E120 Captain - ?
E120 F/O - ?
SA227 Captain - ?
SA227 F/O - ?
Skytrans
DHC-8 Captain - ?
DHC-8 F/O - ?
Network
F100 Captain - $140,000
F100 F/O - $85,000
E120 Captain - $85,000
E120 F/O - $55,000
Sharp Aviation
Metro Cpt -?
metro FO - ?
Hardy Aviation
Metro Captain - $75,000
Metro F/O - $52,000
C441 Captain - $70,000"
* = updated to recent posts
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Cobham 717 Captain is $158,500 at present, will increase again in a month or so. I dont know what an F/O is today however its [probably fair to say all the Cobham wages would be slightly more than listed with an increase at the end of June.
Chocks...
Are you sure your Tiger pay rates are up to date? I know tiger pilots who claim they're on more than JQ; better base pay and better 'overtime' cut-in point.
Anyone?
Anyone?
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TIGER/JETSTAR A320 RATES 2014
TIGER CAPTAIN
Base $171,000 + EFA $140 + Retention $10,000
Estimated Earnings;
577hrs $181,000
682hrs $195,700
787hrs $210,000
900hrs $226,220
JETSTAR CAPTAIN
Base $163,418 + EFA $207.65 + Retention NIL
Estimated Earnings;
577hrs $163,418
682hrs $163,418
787hrs $163,418
900hrs $186,882
TIGER CAPTAIN
Base $171,000 + EFA $140 + Retention $10,000
Estimated Earnings;
577hrs $181,000
682hrs $195,700
787hrs $210,000
900hrs $226,220
JETSTAR CAPTAIN
Base $163,418 + EFA $207.65 + Retention NIL
Estimated Earnings;
577hrs $163,418
682hrs $163,418
787hrs $163,418
900hrs $186,882
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TIGER FO Level 3
Base $114,570 + EFA $70 + Retention $6,667
Estimated Earnings;
577hrs $121,237
682hrs $128,587
787hrs $135,937
900hrs $143,847
JETSTAR FO Level 3
Base $106,222 + EFA $134,97 + Retention NIL
Estimated Earnings;
577hrs $106,222
682hrs $106,222
787hrs $106,222
900hrs $121,473
Base $114,570 + EFA $70 + Retention $6,667
Estimated Earnings;
577hrs $121,237
682hrs $128,587
787hrs $135,937
900hrs $143,847
JETSTAR FO Level 3
Base $106,222 + EFA $134,97 + Retention NIL
Estimated Earnings;
577hrs $106,222
682hrs $106,222
787hrs $106,222
900hrs $121,473
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TIGER FO Level 2
Base $109,440 + EFA $70 + Retention $6,667
Estimated Earnings;
577hrs $116,107
682hrs $123,457
787hrs $130,807
900hrs $138,717
JETSTAR FO Level 2
Base $98,051 + EFA $124.59 + Retention NIL
Estimated Earnings;
577hrs $98,051
682hrs $98,051
787hrs $98,051
900hrs $112,129
Base $109,440 + EFA $70 + Retention $6,667
Estimated Earnings;
577hrs $116,107
682hrs $123,457
787hrs $130,807
900hrs $138,717
JETSTAR FO Level 2
Base $98,051 + EFA $124.59 + Retention NIL
Estimated Earnings;
577hrs $98,051
682hrs $98,051
787hrs $98,051
900hrs $112,129
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TIGER FO Level 1
Base $94,050 + EFA $70 + Retention NIL
Estimated Earnings;
577hrs $94,050
682hrs $101,400
787hrs $108,750
900hrs $116,660
JETSTAR FO Level 1
Base $89,880 + EFA $114.21 + Retention NIL
Estimated Earnings;
577hrs $89,880
682hrs $89,880
787hrs $89,880
900hrs $102,785
Base $94,050 + EFA $70 + Retention NIL
Estimated Earnings;
577hrs $94,050
682hrs $101,400
787hrs $108,750
900hrs $116,660
JETSTAR FO Level 1
Base $89,880 + EFA $114.21 + Retention NIL
Estimated Earnings;
577hrs $89,880
682hrs $89,880
787hrs $89,880
900hrs $102,785
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TIGER & JETSTAR both require you to be type rated on A320 before you start. It would be smart to budget 2 months without pay for endorsement & a start date.
JETSTAR type rating approximately $38,000. TIGER don't mind where you source your type rating (significant saving possible).
JETSTAR A330/B787 add approximately 10 percent to A320 wages.
CAUTION - All new starters with JETSTAR are "flex-time". Flex-time is a 75% salary & overtime threshold drops from 75 hrs to 62 hrs. Full time is offered once a percentage cap is reached (10%). Time to full time is anyones guess with movement slowing this year.
JETSTAR EBA is expired and pilots have been told the QF group pay freeze applies until the group returns to profit.
Could someone confirm or disprove the rumour that JETSTAR NZ pilots now make more than JETSTAR AU?
Could someone supply similar accurate numbers (Base, EFA, Bonus & Estimated Earnings) for Virgin EMB, 737, A330 and QANTAS 737?
JETSTAR type rating approximately $38,000. TIGER don't mind where you source your type rating (significant saving possible).
JETSTAR A330/B787 add approximately 10 percent to A320 wages.
CAUTION - All new starters with JETSTAR are "flex-time". Flex-time is a 75% salary & overtime threshold drops from 75 hrs to 62 hrs. Full time is offered once a percentage cap is reached (10%). Time to full time is anyones guess with movement slowing this year.
JETSTAR EBA is expired and pilots have been told the QF group pay freeze applies until the group returns to profit.
Could someone confirm or disprove the rumour that JETSTAR NZ pilots now make more than JETSTAR AU?
Could someone supply similar accurate numbers (Base, EFA, Bonus & Estimated Earnings) for Virgin EMB, 737, A330 and QANTAS 737?
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