Australian Airline wages compilation
Really, all of these wage 'compilations' are irrelevant and inaccurate.
There are a few simple rules all pilots use when quoting their own, or others (mates who have just got a new job) salary.
- Length of time in job, the newer The Pilot in a company the greater the salary quoted, the perception of how much this is decreases in a linear function with time.
- The pilot adjusts his salary according to who he is telling. Family and non aviation related friends are given vastly inflated figures, or just a sly nod when asked 'Wow you must make a lot of money being a pilot!'
- The salary is also adjusted up wards when The Pilot is at the pub and happens to strike up a conversation with a non aviation related female.
- The salary is adjusted down wards when The Pilot is at work and talking to colleagues, especially approaching EBA time.
- Mates of The Pilot who have secured new employment always make more money and have better conditions, at least for the first year.
- The real money however, is overseas. The Pilot often quotes about the vast amounts of money that can be made especially in the middle east.
- After some length of time overseas The Pilot then starts quoting the salary to be made 'back home' with any low cost carrier, you know it's not that bad really...
There are a few simple rules all pilots use when quoting their own, or others (mates who have just got a new job) salary.
- Length of time in job, the newer The Pilot in a company the greater the salary quoted, the perception of how much this is decreases in a linear function with time.
- The pilot adjusts his salary according to who he is telling. Family and non aviation related friends are given vastly inflated figures, or just a sly nod when asked 'Wow you must make a lot of money being a pilot!'
- The salary is also adjusted up wards when The Pilot is at the pub and happens to strike up a conversation with a non aviation related female.
- The salary is adjusted down wards when The Pilot is at work and talking to colleagues, especially approaching EBA time.
- Mates of The Pilot who have secured new employment always make more money and have better conditions, at least for the first year.
- The real money however, is overseas. The Pilot often quotes about the vast amounts of money that can be made especially in the middle east.
- After some length of time overseas The Pilot then starts quoting the salary to be made 'back home' with any low cost carrier, you know it's not that bad really...
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Sorry but I disagree Compylot, they are very relevant and if they are clarified regarding year of service, they aren't misleading.
I agree with your sentiment that "the package" is often quoted, which includes Super, housing etc but in this thread, I for one, am trying to get an idea of the "first year take home pay", as a good gauge for where the start is within a company.
Your comments on "beefing up" what you earn when talking to chicks or outsiders, well... I can't relate to that because quite frankly: 1) it's an obnoxious concept; 2) considered rude to ask others in public and; 3) they're not circles I mix in sorry. When discussed in private with a close friend in the past, I was quite embarrassed actually, at what little I had earnt in comparison to them, having working 24/7/365.
The $$ are overseas, in some places but not all. Agencies & Airlines are always putting alot of "gravy" on the T's & C's to attract experience. Beware though, often you don't (or won't) qualify for their extra allowances (or rebates) like Super or Housing and may end up with more Tax than promised.
I agree with your sentiment that "the package" is often quoted, which includes Super, housing etc but in this thread, I for one, am trying to get an idea of the "first year take home pay", as a good gauge for where the start is within a company.
Your comments on "beefing up" what you earn when talking to chicks or outsiders, well... I can't relate to that because quite frankly: 1) it's an obnoxious concept; 2) considered rude to ask others in public and; 3) they're not circles I mix in sorry. When discussed in private with a close friend in the past, I was quite embarrassed actually, at what little I had earnt in comparison to them, having working 24/7/365.
The $$ are overseas, in some places but not all. Agencies & Airlines are always putting alot of "gravy" on the T's & C's to attract experience. Beware though, often you don't (or won't) qualify for their extra allowances (or rebates) like Super or Housing and may end up with more Tax than promised.
With all due respect thats good for you Chocks Away. But for me and many others there is so much more to a flying job than the salary!
Prestige, wearing a uniform, telling girls what you do for a living, the view!
Good luck in your job hunting and I hope that you can one day find a flying job, who knows we may even be able to swap stories up the pointy end one day
Prestige, wearing a uniform, telling girls what you do for a living, the view!
Good luck in your job hunting and I hope that you can one day find a flying job, who knows we may even be able to swap stories up the pointy end one day
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I was going to remove two of the four most recent posts, however I think we'll let it self-moderate
for a little while, anyway.
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Compy...do believe you have not completed your post correctly so I thought I'd help....
"With all due respect thats good for you Chocks Away. But for me and many others there is so much more to a flying job than the salary!
Prestige, wearing a uniform, telling girls what you do for a living, the view, the goats, the smack hangovers and the constant sense of not 'being of this world".
Did I mention the voices in your head (burn them...burn them ALL I say)
Good luck in your job hunting and I hope that you can one day find a flying job, who knows we may even be able to swap stories up the pointy end one day....after which there's a conceivably good chance I'll mistake you for an old love (though with less body that she had ), and demand you do that thing she did so well...
Now isn't that better?!?!?
"With all due respect thats good for you Chocks Away. But for me and many others there is so much more to a flying job than the salary!
Prestige, wearing a uniform, telling girls what you do for a living, the view, the goats, the smack hangovers and the constant sense of not 'being of this world".
Did I mention the voices in your head (burn them...burn them ALL I say)
Good luck in your job hunting and I hope that you can one day find a flying job, who knows we may even be able to swap stories up the pointy end one day....after which there's a conceivably good chance I'll mistake you for an old love (though with less body that she had ), and demand you do that thing she did so well...
Now isn't that better?!?!?
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It is also important to know if the company is paying for your type rating or not. I see no reason why a professional pilot should be paying for their training. The fact is that a type rating is worth about $55k:
$30k+ to the training provider and then loss of income for 2-2.5 months @ $10k per month at least!
In our new EBA, we are going for a Coke machine and Foozeball in the crew room- that's worth a lot!
VAI B777:
Level/ CrFO/SFO/CA
1 $76,000 $135,000 $217,500
2 $79,000 $141,000 $226,000
3 $82,500 $148,000 $235,000
4 $85,500 $155,000 $244,500
5 $89,000 $162,500 $254,500
6 $92,500 $170,000 $264,500
7 $96,000 $178,000 $275,000
9% Super inclusive of the above. 10% additional for Training pilots (some SFOs are trainers). Allowances of about $180 per day on average. Overtime on top as well. Callout payment for working RDOs.
Type rating provided. 30 month return of service.
$30k+ to the training provider and then loss of income for 2-2.5 months @ $10k per month at least!
In our new EBA, we are going for a Coke machine and Foozeball in the crew room- that's worth a lot!
VAI B777:
Level/ CrFO/SFO/CA
1 $76,000 $135,000 $217,500
2 $79,000 $141,000 $226,000
3 $82,500 $148,000 $235,000
4 $85,500 $155,000 $244,500
5 $89,000 $162,500 $254,500
6 $92,500 $170,000 $264,500
7 $96,000 $178,000 $275,000
9% Super inclusive of the above. 10% additional for Training pilots (some SFOs are trainers). Allowances of about $180 per day on average. Overtime on top as well. Callout payment for working RDOs.
Type rating provided. 30 month return of service.
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9% Super on top of the above.
Fixed remuneration in the above table comprises annual base salary and 9% superannuation.
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Amen Anthill... on type ratings.
Thanks Tidbinbilla
... thanks Compylot but no luck needed, jobs aplenty with such experience... in fact I probably started an airline you've worked for!
If the truth be known, I'm just "testing the waters".
Anthill, those VAI levels are interesting and I believe there's quite alot to be settled regarding seniority lists and hence years of service with many?
Good compilation of info gathering now, thanks to all.
Happy landings
Thanks Tidbinbilla
Good luck in your job hunting and I hope that you can one day find a flying job
If the truth be known, I'm just "testing the waters".
Anthill, those VAI levels are interesting and I believe there's quite alot to be settled regarding seniority lists and hence years of service with many?
Good compilation of info gathering now, thanks to all.
Happy landings
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Just for the sake of accuracy
9% Super on top of the above.
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The VAI EBA was negotiated when the compulsory super was 9%. To get the current super included salaries you'd have to divide by 1.09 and multiply by 1.0925. I don't know why they aren't just quoted ex-super like all other salaries!
No major airline in Australia pays for your type rating now a days.... Unfortunately it's the way the industry has gone
You don't pay for your own endorsement at QF.
Cobham do foot the bill for endorsement, although they are not technically an airline.
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Not really, quoted that way because that's how it appears in the EBA, and we're too lazy to do the math.
Also beneficial when salary sacrificing because super is fixed, rather than being based on post S/S numbers
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No free life pack but a guarantee of no night turns to Bombay in the big white whale
Quoted that way because it makes them look bigger
Not really, quoted that way because that's how it appears in the EBA, and we're too lazy to do the math.
Also beneficial when salary sacrificing because super is fixed, rather than being based on post S/S numbers
If you make it to level 7 do you win a free life pack or something? I am ****e at these games
No free life pack but a guarantee of no night turns to Bombay in the big white whale
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Vorsicht,
You miss it. You know you do. Nothing like that early morning VABB aroma to let you know you are still alive. I am just waiting for those cripple 7 dudes to give us a go at it.
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You miss it. You know you do. Nothing like that early morning VABB aroma to let you know you are still alive. I am just waiting for those cripple 7 dudes to give us a go at it.
the don