Australian Airline wages compilation
Interesting pair of replies there.
Seems we aren’t the only ones in the world to get paid by Aircraft size… Pedantic? Quite possibly. Depends on how you look at it, did we get a pay rise for the -300 or did the company get a discount for the -200.
If it were an Aussie Airline I wonder how pathetic it would still be? Silly bloody kiwis, we even put a Subsidiary clause in our contract to prevent our flying getting farmed out to new entities.
Seems we aren’t the only ones in the world to get paid by Aircraft size… Pedantic? Quite possibly. Depends on how you look at it, did we get a pay rise for the -300 or did the company get a discount for the -200.
If it were an Aussie Airline I wonder how pathetic it would still be? Silly bloody kiwis, we even put a Subsidiary clause in our contract to prevent our flying getting farmed out to new entities.
If it were an oz airline you would have taken a pay cut for the -300!
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At least the pay at AirNZ has improved - about time.
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Bigger plane = bigger revenue = bigger pie to share around aka pilot wages.
Good on the kiwis I say.
What spells pathetic to me is selling out future new joiners, and giving away conditions for new types... cough Australia.
Its also refreshing the air NZ guys/girls actually post thier bare bones min base. Try finding that on an oz airline thread.
Good on the kiwis I say.
What spells pathetic to me is selling out future new joiners, and giving away conditions for new types... cough Australia.
Its also refreshing the air NZ guys/girls actually post thier bare bones min base. Try finding that on an oz airline thread.
For the Astronaughts and Kiwis out there who may not understand each others super set up...................Kiwis, in OZ your super is paid on top of your salary (11% may be more depending on company) and you DO NOT have to sacrifice that percentage of your salary to get it. Ozzies, Kiwis MUST sacrafice their salary to be paid the company contribution, if you don't you don't get it.
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Ref. ANZ pay scales. That’s a pretty good salary, compared to a BA A380 F/O with six years seniority. The BA F/O earn about 30% less than the equivalent ANZ B777 F/O.
(BA don’t employ S/Os, all F/Os are fully trained to P1 standard. Many BA long haul routes are flown with a two pilotcrew. Inc. the A380.)
(BA don’t employ S/Os, all F/Os are fully trained to P1 standard. Many BA long haul routes are flown with a two pilotcrew. Inc. the A380.)
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Ref. ANZ pay scales. That’s a pretty good salary, compared to a BA A380 F/O with six years seniority. The BA F/O earn about 30% less than the equivalent ANZ B777 F/O.
(BA don’t employ S/Os, all F/Os are fully trained to P1 standard. Many BA long haul routes are flown with a two pilotcrew. Inc. the A380.)
(BA don’t employ S/Os, all F/Os are fully trained to P1 standard. Many BA long haul routes are flown with a two pilotcrew. Inc. the A380.)
For those who choose to stay on the Widebody, it can be 10 years as an SO before they have the seniority for F8.
Different Airline on the other side of the world. Not sure how relevant the comparison is.
Many of our routes aren’t flown 2 Pilot because we’re in the middle of nowhere and it takes 10-13hrs to get anywhere other than Aussie or the Pacific Islands.
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It takes about 18 years seniority just to get a 777 FO Position.
For those who choose to stay on the Widebody, it can be 10 years as an SO before they have the seniority for F8.
Different Airline on the other side of the world. Not sure how relevant the comparison is.
Many of our routes aren’t flown 2 Pilot because we’re in the middle of nowhere and it takes 10-13hrs to get anywhere other than Aussie or the Pacific Islands.
For those who choose to stay on the Widebody, it can be 10 years as an SO before they have the seniority for F8.
Different Airline on the other side of the world. Not sure how relevant the comparison is.
Many of our routes aren’t flown 2 Pilot because we’re in the middle of nowhere and it takes 10-13hrs to get anywhere other than Aussie or the Pacific Islands.
For NZ and QF the short haul fleets offer a near instant pathway to three stripes if thats important.
I don't think you'll find yourself in a wide body QF mainline window seat much inside 10 years (if even that). ME or anywhere else sure, but for some there is more to life than thier fleet or rank at work.
For NZ and QF the short haul fleets offer a near instant pathway to three stripes if thats important.
For NZ and QF the short haul fleets offer a near instant pathway to three stripes if thats important.
Part of the issue is our incentive pay mechanism vastly under-rewards shorthaul compared to Longhaul. In the case of SO vs F20, the pay is arguably even if not more in favor of SO. With the rising cost of living in Auckland it's no surprise more and more Pilots are choosing to commute and stay Longhaul which is why A320 Captain is Junior to Longhaul FO. Financially, C20 doesn't start beating out F8/F7 until the top steps. At the moment, Junior C20's are on around Yr 3-4 pay.
As for how long it takes to get to Jet from Link, our esteemed leader did it record time. I wonder why she decided it should take 8+ years?
The Landscape is always changing. Whatever the process today it'll likely be different tomorrow. No progression to Mainline used to be one of the worst aspects about QLink, how times have changed.
It takes about 18 years seniority just to get a 777 FO Position.
For those who choose to stay on the Widebody, it can be 10 years as an SO before they have the seniority for F8.
Different Airline on the other side of the world. Not sure how relevant the comparison is.
Many of our routes aren’t flown 2 Pilot because we’re in the middle of nowhere and it takes 10-13hrs to get anywhere other than Aussie or the Pacific Islands.
For those who choose to stay on the Widebody, it can be 10 years as an SO before they have the seniority for F8.
Different Airline on the other side of the world. Not sure how relevant the comparison is.
Many of our routes aren’t flown 2 Pilot because we’re in the middle of nowhere and it takes 10-13hrs to get anywhere other than Aussie or the Pacific Islands.
Pay scales also are not based on aircraft type, but Seniority in the Company. ( ie a 10 year A321 F/O is on the same pay as a 10 year A380 F/O.)
This avoids a pilot having to transfer to LH to get the higher pay, if he wishes to remain on SH European fleets. It also saves the Company double training costs in progressing a pilot from SH to LH.
Due to pilot shortages, recruiting suitably experienced pilots direct to 777/787/A350-A380 is starting again shortly.
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