Jetstar cadets grounded

[Mr. Hat]

Is the Inquiry on again today or have I got my dates mixed up? Thought I saw it in the Australian.

Just need to go and get some popcorn..

Can someone post a video link?

[ruprecht]

This IS fun to watch.

[Jack Ranga]

Are you on it Jacko? You're a brave man!

[The Kelpie]

No the recall Senate Hearing is next Friday 18th March.

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the Kelpie

[The Kelpie]

All

Thanks for your PM's I now have a number of contacts in the AIPA office. I will make contact later today.

Thank you. If my posts dry up today please do not worry I am still here just a little busy.

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The Kelpie

[gordonfvckingramsay]

Kelpie, you Sir are a legend! Your hard work and voluminous information gives me, for one, a lot of hope, thank you

[Popgun]

Everyone needs a dog like Kelpie!

Go Kelpie! This is pure f@$king gold! I know a lot of guys who are starting to get optimistic now that there might be a real chance of turning this disgusting situation around.

I second the caution to be careful on here and to make sure you have copies of documentation somewhere safe.

I can back up the AIPA representation stats...62% of Jetstar workforce is AIPA represented.

PG

[Capt Kremin]

I think the first question to Buchanan should be, "If it was always the intention to base these cadets in Australia, why was it necessary to fly them to NZ to get a tax file number?

The ATO takes a dim view of organised tax scams. I think Bruce should be taking advice.

[rodchucker]

So if I get this right, CASA are allowing Jetstar to do something in Australia that NZ regulators wont allow? Has there been any explanation from CASA as to why? Reminds me of that movie about the smartest guys in the room.

Not for a minute should anyone accept that this situation was "stumbled into". I suggest that it was carefully planned but ineptly executed. Perhaps CASA decision making was the key and the NZ guys (regulators and pilots) showed they have the bottle to stand up to what they were presented with as a fait accompli.

If these cadets were flown over there specifically and only to get tax file numbers and bank accounts, someones arse should be in a sling because that is not the way the world works except in twisted minds.

Kelpie well done but take care my friend there is a lot at stake here beyond executive bonuses.

The industry and the travelling public owe you a lot and if Jetstar are really trying to find you, then it shows they have more to worry about than what is out there at the moment.

Let the truth prevail.

[Slippery_Pete]

Whatever happens, we have to make sure these cadets don't sign up to some B scale crap.

The AIPA, FWA and us as fellow pilots have to make sure they go onto the EBA and Jetstar get penalised for breaking the law and blatantly lying at a senate enquiry.

[Popgun]

I hear that AIPA is attempting to negotiate a 'B Scale" for the cadets...in the guise of a contract that would be equivalent to the Aussie 2010 Award..and separate from the Aussie EBA...

...which would then allow them to hold the prized bases of SYD, MEL and SEQ keeping more senior EBA pilots from ever returning from places like Darwin.

[Keg]

AIPA started talking to these guys about three days ago. Somehow I don't think they've even gotten to negotiating anything on their behalf just yet.

[Slippery_Pete]

I hear that AIPA is attempting to negotiate a 'B Scale" for the cadets...

If that's true, it's an absolute disgrace. The AIPA and AFAP should be working together to ensure no "B scale" is ever introduced and to ensure everyone gets paid equally.

If they get a B scale going, it will just encourage them to close direct entry and hire only cadets - it will be another nail in the coffin.

[astroboy55]

I hear that AIPA is attempting to negotiate a 'B Scale" for the cadets...

I highly doubt it....AIPA are actively trying to stop this kind of thing happening.

Have faith in them......despite all the rumors and stuff that gets spread, they are trying to maintain careers and conditions for Aussie pilots, in both QF and JQ.....

[havick]

sorry for the slight thread drift..

Does AIPA only represent airline pilots? I'm a helicopter rescue pilot, and in view of our last EBA negotiations (we actually did quite well) I would rather be a member of an organisation other than the AFAP.

Quite a few of the pilots in our company are also scratching their heads as for better representation in the future. Fortunately we had some good EBA reps in the company for the last negotiations.

[OneDotLow]

AIPA's constitution dictates who they can have as members. At this stage I believe it is only employees of the QF group. You may want to call their office though as it was extended to include JQ and Qlink a while back.

[maggotdriver]

"The other thing to keep in mind is the type of flying in New Zealand is completely different to the type of flying in Australia and you have complexities in the New Zealand aviation landscape with respect to Queenstown and Wellington flying," he said.

Kelpie, great work.
Queenstown, QF has dedicate Queenstown approved crew, I believe requiring an additional sim annually, so yes this is flagged as a "challenging" port due to terrain/short/30m. Wellington doesn't have any additional restrictions, but it is short (1814m) & the wind / terrain shape can create mechanical turbulence that would make it high risk for a 200 hour cadet.

The Senator asked the CASA fellow something like, "These cadets joining Jetstar may have 300 hours and as little as 200 hours. Doesn't that worry you? The low level of experience?

CASA replied, "No, Its a only hand-eye coordination thing"

So when are we going to drop the special requirements to operate into these places as it is only a

"hand-eye coordination thing"

Isn't the very fact that these requirements exist as well as different requirements for command compared with FO logically conclude that experience does count? Indeed it's in their own requirements stipulated in their own manuals.

[Fruet Mich]

Hilarious!! Great stuff Kelpie, I'll be tuning in next Friday to watch the shananagins! BB is going to make a complete cock of himself! If there was something I learnt in my previous life as a sales rep is it's always hard to remember a lie, always tell the truth. His contradictions and lies will be exposed. Great stuff, I guess it's carma ay.

[Mr. Hat]

B Scales, Offshoring, Opening companies and Industrial trickery

How about the good Senator look into the constant creation of B scales and opening of shutting of companies as a method to circumvent negotiated and agreed upon EBAs. Somehow I don't think thats the idea of an EBA under our IR system. If it is why have a system or framework at all?

One for the head of FWA to speak on perhaps. He/she has a few questions to answer I think...

[Popgun]

Aussie 'B scale' for cadets?

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I hear that AIPA is attempting to negotiate a 'B Scale" for the cadets...
I highly doubt it....AIPA are actively trying to stop this kind of thing happening.

Have faith in them......despite all the rumors and stuff that gets spread, they are trying to maintain careers and conditions for Aussie pilots, in both QF and JQ.....

Getting the cadets onto the Aussie EBA is obviously AIPA's preferred option.

I was told, however, that AIPA thought it highly unlikely they could achieve that goal and that successfully negotiating a 'B Scale' would be an acceptable second prize as it would at least mean that the Cadet group would have an Aussie contract and be able to be formally represented by AIPA...

As disturbing as that scenario sounds...it comes directly from an AIPA source.

PG