Rumour: Sunstate Engineers suspended over aircraft sabotage?
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Steve, I dont understand what's going on here, why is the union supporting guys that want to leave the industry and thereby the union, what goes on here???
Apart from a couple who are nearing retirement age, the rest have jobs in the industry to go to
We must also support fully our pilot brother who has been suspended for refusing overtime
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The union doesn't negotiate to help people get out of the industry. People however get older and eventually retire, that's just the way it is. Two of the 11 who left Sunstate I understand are going to retire, they would have anyway, I can't see a problem with that. If you know a fountain of youth out there, let me know, we can put it on our claim list.
600 ft-lb:
No! No! No! 600ft-lb, you don't understand the mindset of these managers! The actual ability of the engineers is irrelevant to know nothing managers! What the managers want is abject subservience - compliance, even when the engineer knows that the manager is wrong.
This is the crux of the entire Qantas problem! All staff are regarded as replaceable automatons in that no one is better than any other one, and the automatons don't have to be too bright either, just compliant and follow orders!
The engineers were obviously considered not good otherwise they wouldn't of been treated like they were scum.
This is the crux of the entire Qantas problem! All staff are regarded as replaceable automatons in that no one is better than any other one, and the automatons don't have to be too bright either, just compliant and follow orders!
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Redundancy
18 months of crap. Fines delivered late at night, nothing like a good night sleep. Waiting and waiting for outcome , workplace , waiting, waiting waiting. Mortgage going backwards, scabs being paid more. Waiting, waiting and yes more waiting.Short shifts ,more days spent in this enviroment Took redundancy, wait no longer.
Sounds familiar Sunfish
Philip Zimbardo - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Quite a few parallels exist in todays across the board 'Buggery Campaign' to say the least. Its the effects of hierarchy on the individuals only following orders, being put in the position to do that job, only following orders and not to be held responsible at the end of the day.
If you've got some time to kill its an interesting watch.
What the managers want is abject subservience - compliance, even when the engineer knows that the manager is wrong.
The study shows that before the volunteer prisoners started showing signs of distress, they did not take the guards and their authority seriously. The prisoners mocked the guards, trying to regain their individuality. This, however, was short-lived. The prisoners soon realized that the attitude of the guards was very serious and that they demanded obedience. This began a long string of confrontational quarrels between the guards and prisoners. The guards used physical punishment and exercises, such as pushups, in order to show their authority to the prisoners.
In the morning of only the second day, a rebellion broke out among the volunteer prisoners. They ripped off their uniforms and locked themselves in their cells by pushing their beds up against the door. In response to this, the guards became very angry and called for backup assistance to the situation. This surprised Zimbardo as well as the rest of the psychologists because they had not thought it would be taken this far. Guards who were not on duty were called in and the guards who were assigned to only the night shift stayed with the guards who came in all the way through their shift the next morning. The tactic the guards came up with was to fight back in order to discipline the unruly prisoners and make them obey. In response to the prisoners barricading themselves in their cells, the guards used fire extinguishers on them to get them away from the entrances.
Once the guards were able to get into the cells, they stripped the inmates naked, tore apart the beds and the cell, and put the prisoners who had started the rebellion in solitary confinement. As all nine guards could not be on duty at once, they began rewarding the prisoners for good behavior. The prisoners who had not been involved in starting the riot were allowed to lie in their beds, wash themselves and brush their teeth and eat while those who had started the riot were not allowed to. The guards continued to use tormenting tactics to break up the prisoners relations with each other to avoid further organized resistance. In the case with one prisoner, who was a smoker, the guards were able to control his behavior because they decided when and if he was allowed to smoke.
In the morning of only the second day, a rebellion broke out among the volunteer prisoners. They ripped off their uniforms and locked themselves in their cells by pushing their beds up against the door. In response to this, the guards became very angry and called for backup assistance to the situation. This surprised Zimbardo as well as the rest of the psychologists because they had not thought it would be taken this far. Guards who were not on duty were called in and the guards who were assigned to only the night shift stayed with the guards who came in all the way through their shift the next morning. The tactic the guards came up with was to fight back in order to discipline the unruly prisoners and make them obey. In response to the prisoners barricading themselves in their cells, the guards used fire extinguishers on them to get them away from the entrances.
Once the guards were able to get into the cells, they stripped the inmates naked, tore apart the beds and the cell, and put the prisoners who had started the rebellion in solitary confinement. As all nine guards could not be on duty at once, they began rewarding the prisoners for good behavior. The prisoners who had not been involved in starting the riot were allowed to lie in their beds, wash themselves and brush their teeth and eat while those who had started the riot were not allowed to. The guards continued to use tormenting tactics to break up the prisoners relations with each other to avoid further organized resistance. In the case with one prisoner, who was a smoker, the guards were able to control his behavior because they decided when and if he was allowed to smoke.
If you've got some time to kill its an interesting watch.
What did the ALAEA win here ? anything ? Jethro, to be honest, I have to ask the same question.
Care to comment Steve? What has been accomplished? I dont know, but am willing to listen either here or pm.
Care to comment Steve? What has been accomplished? I dont know, but am willing to listen either here or pm.
Care to respond Steve??
Yeah rereading you have, in a roundabout way, I am not trying to be obtuse, I want to support you guys, if you want me to stand on a picket line I will. Please believe I am with you. I will support you Steve, if I understand what you are doing. Maybe it doesn't matter what us old guys think.
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QLink crap
Being one of the redundants, I personally would have preferred to continue working.
However the environment I would have been working in was not going to be ideal, so basically I took the money offered and did a runner. Have I finished work - YES FOR Qantas but NO for other employers.
I had no plans to retire at this age, this just created another scenario for me. QLink could have been a great place to work - if it wasn't for the managers always trying to line the pockets with bonus's and continually trying to prove how cheap it can be done.
As has been pointed out in other posts - the QLink managers had no respect for the guys on the floor who faced daily issues which could have been prevented with a little for thought from those in charge.
As for the who won part of this thread - yet to be decided.
The engineer's have by sticking to their principles made themselves the scape goats for the manager's short comings at this stage in proceedings. Eventually the wheels will fall off and the spotlight will focus on the real issue - incompetent managers. However in true management form those who created the issues will probably have moved on to better things leaving the newbie to clean up the mess.
However the environment I would have been working in was not going to be ideal, so basically I took the money offered and did a runner. Have I finished work - YES FOR Qantas but NO for other employers.
I had no plans to retire at this age, this just created another scenario for me. QLink could have been a great place to work - if it wasn't for the managers always trying to line the pockets with bonus's and continually trying to prove how cheap it can be done.
As has been pointed out in other posts - the QLink managers had no respect for the guys on the floor who faced daily issues which could have been prevented with a little for thought from those in charge.
As for the who won part of this thread - yet to be decided.
The engineer's have by sticking to their principles made themselves the scape goats for the manager's short comings at this stage in proceedings. Eventually the wheels will fall off and the spotlight will focus on the real issue - incompetent managers. However in true management form those who created the issues will probably have moved on to better things leaving the newbie to clean up the mess.
Bigdog, as a fellow LAME I applaud you and your ilk for sticking it out so long in such a toxic environment. Unfortunately, when "the wheels fall off" don't be surprised if the managers still come out smelling like roses while blaming those at the coalface for not working hard enough or some such rubbish.
Good luck with your new employer
Good luck with your new employer
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To all the Sunnie guys who are leaving - good luck with whatever you do now! Thank you for sticking to your guns and principles along the way. It must have been very difficult at times.
To those who have decided to stay - good luck to you also! I hope your working environment becomes less toxic in the very near future.
To those who have decided to stay - good luck to you also! I hope your working environment becomes less toxic in the very near future.
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QLink
Personally I feel for the guys remaining - where else in this wide brown land would you have 6 LAME's plus 3 or 4 AME's handle up to 80 to 90 movements a day.
Coverage from 0515 to 2400 - still operating an 8 hour shift pattern.
Damn these planes must be good - self healing, forbidden to break down or have defects until scheduled for maintenance. Bring out the magic wand or holy water - get bigger maint logs to hold the deferred items.
Still working on a 2 year overdue EA - probably still no movement from the company regarding the new EBA. Working harder, less support and all being done for a pittance.
Coverage from 0515 to 2400 - still operating an 8 hour shift pattern.
Damn these planes must be good - self healing, forbidden to break down or have defects until scheduled for maintenance. Bring out the magic wand or holy water - get bigger maint logs to hold the deferred items.
Still working on a 2 year overdue EA - probably still no movement from the company regarding the new EBA. Working harder, less support and all being done for a pittance.
Can I ask, what was the wash up here??
Many people, including myself donated funds for the fight here, but what actually happened. Can someone please give a summery of what happened, or indeed, is it still going on??
Many people, including myself donated funds for the fight here, but what actually happened. Can someone please give a summery of what happened, or indeed, is it still going on??
Should end with Alan's departure
What action is ongoing??
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hope the alaea gets the rails run in court today,
the media reports once again show qf management
buffoonery for the world to see.
Six men take Qantas to court after being sacked over misconduct claims by airline | News.com.au
the media reports once again show qf management
buffoonery for the world to see.
Six men take Qantas to court after being sacked over misconduct claims by airline | News.com.au
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Qantas staff stood down for voicing safety concerns: court
There were hearings in the Fed court yesterday and today, and further hearings scheduled all of next week.
There were hearings in the Fed court yesterday and today, and further hearings scheduled all of next week.