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Old 1st Oct 2011, 23:49
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Faulty or not?

It would seem that safety and responsibility is allowed to take a back seat when so called industrial action comes into force. These guys were being ignored whilst trying to gain better pay and conditions. From the outside looking in it would appear that they discovered an issue, reported the issue were ignored by management as they thought it was part of the action. They the engineers felt strongly enough that the doors although meeting the requirements still lacked the ability to stop intruders from getting into the cockpit in flight ( which is the reason why they were installed).

It is every engineers legal and moral responsibility to report defects in any system on an aircraft which does not comply with many and various regulations. In this case a security door designed to prevent entry into the cockpit which proved incapable of doing this. I am sure the door itself would pass the requirements but the installation needs to match these requirements. Sometimes as we all know modifications don't always work and a requirement to improve/redesign things after the fact to enable compliance with the intention of the modification is required.

Where are they at regarding their EA? I guess they are still waiting as Q managers seem to be fighting all pay rises with all sectors whilst receiving substantial increases themselves.
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Old 2nd Oct 2011, 00:22
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Still battling for an EA outcome. These blokes had agreed on the payrise and terms except a training bond that was to apply to about 2 members. That was 18 months ago.

Qantas have spent 1 million dollars fighting our 6 members on this case alone. Trial continues all next week, if you want to support our guys on the witness stand they appear tomorrow at Fed Court in Bne. PM me for details if req.

They the engineers felt strongly enough that the doors although meeting the requirements
The doors didn't even meet the requirements. That will come out this week.
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Old 18th Nov 2011, 22:07
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Thumbs down Sunstate debarcle

This has gone quiet, have the issues been resolved or have the few here been swamped by the masses.
They the company have decreased the full time staff down to just a few -10 I believe ?
Supplemented the ranks with contractors for the AME positions and contract LAME's as required.
Having been out and about with my ears open, I believe senior staff member scouting around looking for license coverage on a casual basis - why ?
The exodus of full time staff is continuing - so how many are left?
Court case - result soon/maybe and how much coverage will this get ?
From the antics everybody has seen in the last month or so, it is obvious these guys were the practice for the rest.
So where does this leave the regionals in QLD ( the actual birthplace of the Q).
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Old 18th Nov 2011, 22:51
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Just waiting for the court decision to be handed down.
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Old 30th Dec 2011, 21:54
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Contractors for QLink Brissy

Labour hire group looking to employ contract LAME's in brissy to replace those that left or were punted.
Has the EA been sorted for those that remain ?
Long term contracts on offer and for considerably more $ than those still employed there. Courses on offer too - unlike in the recent past.
Maybe the grand scheme did not work as well as they hoped - idiots
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Old 30th Dec 2011, 22:59
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Maybe the grand scheme did not work as well as they hoped - idiots
None of their grand schemes have worked.

Reducing Melbourne base to 4 Lames, that lasted 3 months before they hired 2 more LAMEs

Opening the Canberra base - still contractors there too as all us guys who were "surplus" in Melbourne took the money rather than move to Canberra.

It's about time the Qantaslink management worked out that they aren't smart enough to have cunning plans.
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Old 30th Dec 2011, 23:11
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Labour hire group looking to employ contract LAME's in brissy
Which labour hire group would that be then?
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Old 31st Dec 2011, 00:07
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ALG ? BERMIL ?
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Old 31st Dec 2011, 03:03
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ALG ? BERMIL ?
Cant see that it is either of them,
Labour hire group looking to employ contract LAME's in brissy to replace those that left or were punted.
Is the above the facts or just wild speculation?
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Whats the equivalent of Sunnies in Perth??
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Whats the equivalent of Sunnies in Perth??
Network are looking after the Q400s over there
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Old 4th Jan 2012, 08:19
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Does Network run any Dash 8's ?? looks like on the net that they are F100's??
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Old 4th Jan 2012, 16:02
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Simple Casa reg search reveals F100's and EMB 120's are ops by Network. Maybe Network turbine Solutions provide maintenance to the Q400's?
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Yep I was at the same induction.

Greetings Splitpin. After 52 years in the industry (this month), I still find
it abhorrent that these flunky type of puppet management personnel are still expousing and pedalling this verbal diahorrea. They are obviously not competent and real AMEL holder material, and probably never really made it at the Certification coal face either. Please check your PM. Regards Big E.
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Old 7th Jan 2012, 23:45
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the need for extremity walkers

Greetings Bigdog01. Funny how us full bottles know that this requirement has been in the Ground Handling procedures for decades. It was in there when I got a B707 AMEL Rating in the 70s. Best practice then, and still best practice now. The main problem with 'johnny come lately' half baked boys in a man's world is that they don't know what they don't know. Senior LAMEs know that there are no new tricks, it is just that some of the tricks are so old that they appear new to these inexperienced fools who are imposters and masquerading as 'real' engineers - something their present dismal performance says that they will never be. Regards Big E.
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ex manager - contract supervisor - supervising contractors - who is contracting to 3

Greetings Isamu. Seems like it is well overdue for Regulatory authority people to be made aware of this guys duty time and the Part 145 compliance of those who are employing him. Sounds like he must be a good customer of pen manufacturers for all the pen whipping of Tech Logs and worksheets etc. Keep up the surveillance and always have the camera handy. Regards Big E.

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Old 8th Jan 2012, 03:06
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Contract arranger for QLink brissy

Sigma are the go to point.
AME's - $35.50/hr
Mech LAME - $59.00/hr
Avionic LAME - $68.50/hr
Q400 courses on offer.
Also require maint supervisors - due to current ones resigning due frustration, not being listened too. So what is new, they have never listened to the guys trying to get the work done - obviously the wrong people, need to be -"YES " men !!!!!!

The hourly rate could be doubled and it would still not be enough !!!!
Also looking for Canberra participants - same deal.
Still no word on outcome for the EA for those few remaining full time ? Now 2 1/2 years since expiry.
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Old 8th Jan 2012, 03:36
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Also looking for Canberra participants - same deal
Perth too I believe.
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Old 8th Jan 2012, 09:09
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QLink contractors

Arnold,
Not sure about Network ( another wholly owned subsidiary now) but BNE -Canb looking for QLink and Toll for the ATR's.
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Old 8th Jan 2012, 21:48
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Qlink has now decided that they will increase the pay for Bne Engineers by 9-3% (equivalent to 3+3+3) without settling the EA. Nothing to do with not being able to attract any LAME's to Bne on lower than GA pay. EA to be sorted once Mainline has been passed thru FWA. Only 6 months before Syd EA runs out.
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