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Jack Ranga,
Instead of sitting there laughing pal, answer my question... how much is it worth? How much more do you want to be happy with the checking and medical requirements? Let's hear it bud...
Interestingly, just did a bit of quick digging - you all love to harp on about UAE and Germany salaries. What about USA...
"Median annual wages of air traffic controllers in May 2008 were $111,870. The middle 50 percent earned between $71,050 and $143,780. The lowest 10 percent earned less than $45,020, and the highest 10 percent earned more than $161,010. The average annual salary, excluding overtime earnings, for air traffic controllers in the Federal Government which employs 90 percent of all controllers was $109,218 in March 2009."
Comparable to us I'd suggest, with a less advanced system and way busier airspace!
"British air traffic controllers are paid $79,074.63 USD on average to has high as $118,616.35 USD"
NAVCANADA; As an Air Traffic Controller, you can earn between $57,000 and $123,000 per year
Instead of sitting there laughing pal, answer my question... how much is it worth? How much more do you want to be happy with the checking and medical requirements? Let's hear it bud...
Interestingly, just did a bit of quick digging - you all love to harp on about UAE and Germany salaries. What about USA...
"Median annual wages of air traffic controllers in May 2008 were $111,870. The middle 50 percent earned between $71,050 and $143,780. The lowest 10 percent earned less than $45,020, and the highest 10 percent earned more than $161,010. The average annual salary, excluding overtime earnings, for air traffic controllers in the Federal Government which employs 90 percent of all controllers was $109,218 in March 2009."
Comparable to us I'd suggest, with a less advanced system and way busier airspace!
"British air traffic controllers are paid $79,074.63 USD on average to has high as $118,616.35 USD"
NAVCANADA; As an Air Traffic Controller, you can earn between $57,000 and $123,000 per year
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By the way you are going on I'd say we should be paying you a lot less. Seems you wouldn't mind.
Anyway - certainly you should revisit this thread in about 7 or 8 years and see if your opinions have changed - that will be very interesting - mostly for you.
Anyway - certainly you should revisit this thread in about 7 or 8 years and see if your opinions have changed - that will be very interesting - mostly for you.
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By the way you are going on I'd say we should be paying you a lot less. Seems you wouldn't mind.
Anyway - certainly you should revisit this thread in about 7 or 8 years and see if your opinions have changed - that will be very interesting - mostly for you.
Anyway - certainly you should revisit this thread in about 7 or 8 years and see if your opinions have changed - that will be very interesting - mostly for you.
I don't want to be paid less pal, I am merely stating that for what I do - I believe I am rewarded fairly.
Listening to some of you lot it is so clear why the vast majority of you are university drop-out's. Which raises another great point come to think of it... How many people out in the real world can earn 150k plus without any tertiary education?
Again -serious reality check people!!!
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Jack Ranga,
Instead of sitting there laughing pal, answer my question... how much is it worth? How much more do you want to be happy with the checking and medical requirements? Let's hear it bud...
Instead of sitting there laughing pal, answer my question... how much is it worth? How much more do you want to be happy with the checking and medical requirements? Let's hear it bud...
And by the way, you are an army of approximately 3.5% of the ATC ranks. Around 96.5% of us think otherwise when it comes to conditions.
Since when has education had anything to do with making money? I know plenty of people making $150,000:00 or more who left school in year 10. I know one self made multi who was illiterate.
They all work harder than me physically, and longer hours but so what? I'm paid for the legal and personal responsibility I exercise every shift, along with the ****e rosters etc.
I will get out of here and do something else.
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Are you suggesting I am degrading your conditions? How exactly pal? And is that 96.5%/3.5% split based upon union membership, because those figures are awfully alike? Or pulled out of your backside? Because surprise, surprise for the record - I am a full paying union member buddy. So let's talk about degrading conditions... those wonderful souls who come back to work after less than the agreed break between shifts! Certainly not me pulling that crap pal. Oh and those conditions you speak of, in the wonderful CA we are covered by - that was bargained so wonderfully "in good faith" by Civil Air. How many times do I hear that AsA aren't interpreting the agreement the "way it was intended"? How about Civil Air makes sure they don't negotiate "in good faith"; don't leave it "open to interpretation". But hey our mighty union is too busy weeding out the rat that has stolen yours and my membership fees over the past 2 years aren't they!
Guaranteed, luckily I have 2 degree's and REAL profession to go back into IF I ever get jaded by ATC. Oh and for the record, paid about 15k more than currently, but having to actually work a lot harder for it! And certainly not the conditions I enjoy now!
Bull**** you will, want to wager on that?
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Priceless. It's like watching the uni student, passionately indignant in a protest march, knowing that in 5 years time that same person will be looking down at a march from his corporate gig and wondering if his Porsche will be ok where it is parked. Priceless.
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As an ATC I am appalled and embarrassed by this thread. It's nearly as bad as some of the pilot pissing contests. 
Please stop feeding troll Coney. If he keeps up this S#$* TFN is going to give him an Australia Day Award.
Please stop feeding troll Coney. If he keeps up this S#$* TFN is going to give him an Australia Day Award.
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Flightfocus, baileys, rennaps, P-Dubby, ferris, Le Pingouin... c'mon ladies, don't get all uptight and indignant that someone in the same job as you actually thinks it's a decent deal. God forbid a touch of positivity. For your 6 little whines of outrage I just got 9 people supporting me privately - 4 of them 20 yr + controllers! And 2 pilots! Thank you, by the way - check PM's! Glad not everyone in the industry is like you lot!
By the way, just think - I could be working next to a few of you everyday and you wouldn't even know it! Nor will you ever! Troll??, haha are you suggesting I'm backdooring for AsA management? Dreaming kids, they wouldn't waste the time on following your silly, self-inflated and indulgent views/opinions.
Bring on the outrage girlies
I thrive on it!!!
By the way, just think - I could be working next to a few of you everyday and you wouldn't even know it! Nor will you ever! Troll??, haha are you suggesting I'm backdooring for AsA management? Dreaming kids, they wouldn't waste the time on following your silly, self-inflated and indulgent views/opinions.
Bring on the outrage girlies
I thrive on it!!!
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For someone happy with his lot, he sure doesn't sound it. Maybe he should quit ATC and use one of those Uni degrees to get a proper job. We all know how helpful they are in the real world.
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Salary levels
What surprises me is that no one has yet pointed out to CI how he came to have this overinflated salary.....
Could it have been given out by the employer to a workforce that considered they didn't need or deserve a payrise, or did the guys that are doing the "whining" actually stand up and bargain for it?
Just a thoughtette.
Could it have been given out by the employer to a workforce that considered they didn't need or deserve a payrise, or did the guys that are doing the "whining" actually stand up and bargain for it?
Just a thoughtette.
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It's not outrage, it's pity. Pity touched with that grimace that means you know why controllers get shafted at EBAs- because there ARE people like you, Coney. If you had even a modicum of sense, you might like to ponder this: Do you think all these "bitter whingers" you work along side came to AsA as such- OR do you think that we all started bright-eyed, couldn't believe our luck, and over the moon? I'll give you a a hint genius. Stroll over to the 'learning academy' and take a peak. Breathe in that youthful ebullience.
If you had ANY brains, you might make the link between those first few years and the 'bitter whingers', and figure out that link is AsA. Then, with even a little humility, might recognise where YOU might be labeled. Unless, of course, you have enough arrogance to suggest you are different. Still marching in the protest, a lone voice crying out against all of us?
Start planning, smart boy.
If you had ANY brains, you might make the link between those first few years and the 'bitter whingers', and figure out that link is AsA. Then, with even a little humility, might recognise where YOU might be labeled. Unless, of course, you have enough arrogance to suggest you are different. Still marching in the protest, a lone voice crying out against all of us?
Guaranteed, luckily I have 2 degree's and REAL profession to go back into IF I ever get jaded by ATC.