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At least Quinn & Aherne had the balls to face up to this publicly and in the Senate. Maybe it might help if more Ppruners go public rather than whinging here. It takes guts to put your name on the line as individuals not backed by corporations with endless funds. I'm about to do so!
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004, exactly what were his "statements" about CaSa, SACL, ATSB, and the NSW Air Wing employees? General slander in my view knowing the guy. And I think he worked for the Vic Air Wing.
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If you saw the body language of Quinn and Aherne in the Senate my money would still be on Aherne as someone who could handle the pressure of public scrutiny. BTW I doubt either gentlemen will be picked.
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Jinglie, don't get me wrong mate, I like Aherne. And he would do a much better job in any position at CAsA than the arse clowns who currently inhabit the upper tier. I don't think he has the measured diplomacy for the role, that's all.
Quinn doesn't deserve another shot. The Screaming Skull simply finished the job that Byron didn't have the balls or the support to do, and that was show him the door. Quinn has the intelligence, but those who have worked in the higher levels of QF, EK or CAsA know exactly why he will never return
He probably thinks he may get a guernsey, and he did have a particularly strong sponsor in Government (that's politics for you), but his day has passed.
It's going to take more that a restructure to fix decades of ****e anyway. Until some accountability is introduced and the wrongs are all righted just taking a scalp or two will do little.
Quinn doesn't deserve another shot. The Screaming Skull simply finished the job that Byron didn't have the balls or the support to do, and that was show him the door. Quinn has the intelligence, but those who have worked in the higher levels of QF, EK or CAsA know exactly why he will never return
He probably thinks he may get a guernsey, and he did have a particularly strong sponsor in Government (that's politics for you), but his day has passed.It's going to take more that a restructure to fix decades of ****e anyway. Until some accountability is introduced and the wrongs are all righted just taking a scalp or two will do little.
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004, fair call. He wasn't shown the door, he opened it himself after being continually undermined by several fort fumbles senior managers, some who remain! Seeing the mess now, smart call.
Aherne would be brilliant in Beakers slot.
Aherne would be brilliant in Beakers slot.
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Yes Jinglie I agree, Aherne would easily fill the Beakers shoes. And yes he left the aforementioned organisations off his own back. The same dross that didn't accept his ilk are certainly still wandering the halls of Sleepy Hollow plying their trade. CAsA's iron ring will pineapple anybody that stands up to them, against them, or who won't polish their shoes or rectums with an eager tongue. The dross I speak of hold the Australian public, aviation industry, internal staff, senators, everybody basically in contempt.
I'm now starting to think that we may need an outsider from the CAA or FAA, NTSB.......Mary Schiavo comes to mind, thats one woman with giant nuts
I like the scope of some of the activities she has headed and changes she has made, and she would never allow a Skull, Beaker, Mrdork or Albanese push her about.....f#cked if I know, just hope that Truss is willing to lay his plumbs on the line starting next weekend?
I'm now starting to think that we may need an outsider from the CAA or FAA, NTSB.......Mary Schiavo comes to mind, thats one woman with giant nuts
I like the scope of some of the activities she has headed and changes she has made, and she would never allow a Skull, Beaker, Mrdork or Albanese push her about.....f#cked if I know, just hope that Truss is willing to lay his plumbs on the line starting next weekend?
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Mary Schiavo comes to mind, thats one woman with giant nuts
You obviously don't know the full story of the above woman, she was thoroughly discredited, in part for her activities as Inspector General of DoT in relation to aviation ---- and it was NOT vested interests going after her.
If, by CAA you mean UK, no way, look what happened the last time we had somebody from UK CAA injected into CASA (and that was "Dick's pick"). CAA NZ is too close to home and too small. This leaves FAA and the Canadians.
It is a sad comment on Australia and Australians that it has to be an "overseas expert" --- we know in great detail what the problems are, but the minute you nominate somebody from here, there will howls from multiple directions about "conflict of interest" and worse --- a serious national failing.
Tootle pip!!
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It's a clear enough message.
UIA# 1410 –"the real situation and that person calls for industry comment and this is heard without interference."
With some form of protection (even indemnity) and the right platform we may even get down 'in the weeds' and sort out the bullies and 'experts' who, on a daily basis enforce the will of the Golden West Mafia, issuing whimsical nonsense as "the only way" and achieving "compliance" by threatening, whispering, lying and cheating. There have been some deliberately malicious actions taken at the coal face, some on the ragged edge, some allegedly criminal. The iron ring must be broken and the entrenched culture of fear replaced with a feeling of safety, security and industry well being. Hells bells, there's enough evidence about the place to keep the AFP busy for a decade.
Time to speak up. If the commission goes ahead it may be the one and only shot in a lifetime. A chance to get things squared away. If you have whistle, now is the time to blow it if you have a drum, beat it; but do not sit back at the bar, whining in your cups and doing SFA.
Too many have risked much to even get a policy (such as it is); it's hard work to get any form of political attention let alone get something done, so when the time comes; as it must, speak out without fear. Lots of great quotes to finish my wee rant available; but not this time – Aherne, James and Quinn have opened the gates – now pile in. (You know you want to)......
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It is a sad comment on Australia and Australians that it has to be an “overseas expert” --- we know in great detail what the problems are, but the minute you nominate somebody from here, there will howls from multiple directions about "conflict of interest" and worse --- a serious national failing.
A bunch of words were deleted while you weren’t looking! The original said:
It is a sad comment on Australian governments that it has to be an “overseas expert” --- governments already know in great detail what the problems are, but there are no votes in changing anything and the minute they make their own decisions they might be held responsible, so they don’t make any decisions --- a serious national failing.
Governments already have the power to make any changes they like, on any grounds they like.
Here’s a clue as to what’s actually going to happen:
The review will be modelled on the Wheeler Review into aviation security, which was commissioned by the former Coalition Government and to a large extent has informed the development of aviation security policies in Australia since that time.
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Somebody’s been tampering with your posts, Leaddie! A bunch of words were deleted while you weren’t looking!
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Wow, well there you go Leadie. I didn't realise Schiavo was such a problem child. I guess the investigation, action and improvements she pushed along to reign in the USA's bogus parts epidemic (yes, I know it is still an issue worldwide) was I guess, bogus??
As for CAA, yes NZ is who I refer to, not UK or PNG. As for NZ being too small, what bollocks. There is no 'perfect' solution so FFS why don't we put in place something that is 90% effective and work it, mold it and massage the remaining 10% to completion? Better than just bleating about it and doing nothing, that is half of CAsA's bloody problem.
Anyway, back on topic. I would be interested as to whom Leadie might see as being an adequate and valuable team or individuals to replace, just for starters - The trio of CAsA DAS's, the three non aviation ATSBeaker Commissioners and lets say Mr Mrdork?
No solution is perfect, but some posters on here (no names, but there are a few) seem to acknowledge that there are issues at play, but they can't post solutions. They say 'this won't work', 'that person won't suit', 'you've all got it wrong' blah blah blah. Lets see a list of names whom you would support for once?
I guess the investigation, action and improvements she pushed along to reign in the USA's bogus parts epidemic (yes, I know it is still an issue worldwide) was I guess, bogus??As for CAA, yes NZ is who I refer to, not UK or PNG. As for NZ being too small, what bollocks. There is no 'perfect' solution so FFS why don't we put in place something that is 90% effective and work it, mold it and massage the remaining 10% to completion? Better than just bleating about it and doing nothing, that is half of CAsA's bloody problem.
Anyway, back on topic. I would be interested as to whom Leadie might see as being an adequate and valuable team or individuals to replace, just for starters - The trio of CAsA DAS's, the three non aviation ATSBeaker Commissioners and lets say Mr Mrdork?
No solution is perfect, but some posters on here (no names, but there are a few) seem to acknowledge that there are issues at play, but they can't post solutions. They say 'this won't work', 'that person won't suit', 'you've all got it wrong' blah blah blah. Lets see a list of names whom you would support for once?
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It needs to be a person able to put an exec team together that are capable of rebuilding Australia's reputation. Perhaps Carmody could do it? Although looks like he's got a nice role presently.
I remember the anticipation when present DAS took over from Byron though.
I remember the anticipation when present DAS took over from Byron though.
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Frank Young has bucket loads of experience in both GA and the corporate jet world. He has been around to experience the whole mess and is a very talented gentleman. Why not?
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Trevor Jensen is another guy sitting idle. Wealth of experience and a guy well versed in administration of large outfits. Plus you can sit done and have a beer and honest chat with the guy. No test pilot or Mirage history! A definite bonus. Also, I'm sure no special favours for Joyce.
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From Oracle1 post on Part 145 and maintenance forum. Good find. Relevant to discussion here.
maybe Truss is serious?
From Steve Creedy The Australian
THE federal Coalition plans to bring in a prominent member of the international aviation community to conduct an external review of aviation safety and regulations similar to the Wheeler inquiry into aviation security.
It will announce the move today as part of its aviation policy that foreshadows a potential restructure of the Civil Aviation Safety Authority and a strengthening of the CASA board by increasing the number of members from four to six.
It is also promising a formal aviation industry consultative council that would meet regularly with the transport minister to address matters of concern to the wider industry, and an industry complaints commissioner to investigate grievances about the regulator or its operatives "in a reasonable time".
The external safety and regulation review comes after recent adverse findings by the Senate Rural and Regional Affairs and Transport Committee and after industry feedback that safety regulations were being inappropriately applied and were too bureaucratic.
"We've had such feedback from the industry about the regulatory process and the operations of CASA, it simply has to be addressed," opposition transport spokesman Warren Truss told The Australian.
"We've also got the inevitable and ongoing differences of opinion in the sector about how everything should be done and I thought the Wheeler Review was actually a very useful exercise in dealing with aviation security.
"Not all the recommendations were perfect, but it acted as a circuit breaker and his report has effectively underpinned all that we've done on aviation security since."
Mr Truss said he thought it highly unlikely there would be a consensus on the best way to proceed with the regulatory system.
He said a Coalition government would not proceed with changes until the review was completed. He said he would like to have it completed so that key decisions could be made by March, when current CASA boss John McCormick's current term expired.
"There are some things I can do immediately without asking for an outside expert. It's just self-evident," Mr Truss said. "For instance, it's silly to have a board that the CEO is not answerable to, and things like that. But it's better to do it all in one go when a new person is appointed or there is a renewal of a term."
Mr Truss conceded that aviation had been an area "where angels dared to tread", but there was concern about the system wherever he went, particularly among licensed aircraft maintenance engineers.
"The big airlines, they can cope with this, because they've got the people and the systems, but the poor one-man operator or just two or three people at a country airfield, this paper war is something they can't very easily cope with," Mr Truss said.
The industry complaints commissioner would be responsible for investigating complaints about CASA personnel and delegates or authorised personnel.
The commissioner would be required to provide a quarterly report to the board and director of aviation safety that included a summary of activities, the number or complaints received and time taken to respond.
"The other issue we get constantly is criticism of differences in the way the same laws are interpreted in different offices by different people," Mr Truss said.
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From Steve Creedy The Australian
THE federal Coalition plans to bring in a prominent member of the international aviation community to conduct an external review of aviation safety and regulations similar to the Wheeler inquiry into aviation security.
It will announce the move today as part of its aviation policy that foreshadows a potential restructure of the Civil Aviation Safety Authority and a strengthening of the CASA board by increasing the number of members from four to six.
It is also promising a formal aviation industry consultative council that would meet regularly with the transport minister to address matters of concern to the wider industry, and an industry complaints commissioner to investigate grievances about the regulator or its operatives "in a reasonable time".
The external safety and regulation review comes after recent adverse findings by the Senate Rural and Regional Affairs and Transport Committee and after industry feedback that safety regulations were being inappropriately applied and were too bureaucratic.
"We've had such feedback from the industry about the regulatory process and the operations of CASA, it simply has to be addressed," opposition transport spokesman Warren Truss told The Australian.
"We've also got the inevitable and ongoing differences of opinion in the sector about how everything should be done and I thought the Wheeler Review was actually a very useful exercise in dealing with aviation security.
"Not all the recommendations were perfect, but it acted as a circuit breaker and his report has effectively underpinned all that we've done on aviation security since."
Mr Truss said he thought it highly unlikely there would be a consensus on the best way to proceed with the regulatory system.
He said a Coalition government would not proceed with changes until the review was completed. He said he would like to have it completed so that key decisions could be made by March, when current CASA boss John McCormick's current term expired.
"There are some things I can do immediately without asking for an outside expert. It's just self-evident," Mr Truss said. "For instance, it's silly to have a board that the CEO is not answerable to, and things like that. But it's better to do it all in one go when a new person is appointed or there is a renewal of a term."
Mr Truss conceded that aviation had been an area "where angels dared to tread", but there was concern about the system wherever he went, particularly among licensed aircraft maintenance engineers.
"The big airlines, they can cope with this, because they've got the people and the systems, but the poor one-man operator or just two or three people at a country airfield, this paper war is something they can't very easily cope with," Mr Truss said.
The industry complaints commissioner would be responsible for investigating complaints about CASA personnel and delegates or authorised personnel.
The commissioner would be required to provide a quarterly report to the board and director of aviation safety that included a summary of activities, the number or complaints received and time taken to respond.
"The other issue we get constantly is criticism of differences in the way the same laws are interpreted in different offices by different people," Mr Truss said.
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I thought you were serious there at one stage Jinglie but then I saw the irony in replacing one personality type with another of the same personality type! Good one, couldn't stop laughing.