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Jinglie old son, my comment about R.C was tongue in cheek. I can assure you that as long as the Screaming Skull remains king of the CAsA castle Mr R.C would be flat out being allowed in the car park. Lets just say he isn't on Mr Angry's Christmas card list 
But then again, who is??
But then again, who is??
Halfmanfulltimtam, correct you are sir. Please award yourself 2 chocolate frogs for remaining awake in class 
Mr Farquharson said he was over in the West, Mr Boyd (the one with the Gerbil grin) said he had only just started in 1999 so he wasn't responsible, and Mr Aleck said it wasn't him because he was in Montreal!
Mr Farquharson said he was over in the West, Mr Boyd (the one with the Gerbil grin) said he had only just started in 1999 so he wasn't responsible, and Mr Aleck said it wasn't him because he was in Montreal!
If we are talking about the same Senate performance --- there was one who was sitting there, who was around when the ATSB recommendation turned into a revised CAO for fuel requirement for "remote islands".
And who, in my opinion, either did know, or who has suddenly developed a very selective memory
Cast your minds back ------ ??
Tootle pip!!
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The gerbils are grinning.
Well there you go Leadie, we do agree on some things. Good stuff mate. 
Indeed there was an individual who had sudden amnesia during the inquiry, but that was then and this is now. No action will be taken against him, why? Because you need to be accountable to be held to account. And CAsA employees are not accountable!! Now whether that is totally accurate under the guidelines of Australian law I really don't know, really don't care either to be honest.
All I know is that most of the issues that have taken place over the decades, regurgitated year after year and then done to industry and its members over and over and over yet again is due to nil accountability on behalf of the regulator.
CAsA = selective memory indeed.
And on that note I shall also end with a Tootle Pip!
Indeed there was an individual who had sudden amnesia during the inquiry, but that was then and this is now. No action will be taken against him, why? Because you need to be accountable to be held to account. And CAsA employees are not accountable!! Now whether that is totally accurate under the guidelines of Australian law I really don't know, really don't care either to be honest.
All I know is that most of the issues that have taken place over the decades, regurgitated year after year and then done to industry and its members over and over and over yet again is due to nil accountability on behalf of the regulator.
CAsA = selective memory indeed.
And on that note I shall also end with a Tootle Pip!
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Anyone bothered to ask Skull why he has not replied to the Senate??
Would be an interesting reply!!
Would be an interesting reply!!
And none of that can be printed.
It's a stalling tactic and all part of the game. He doesn't give a toss and everybody knows it. March 2014 is approaching and its bye bye Mr Skull. His ticket for the Styx River boat has been endorsed, receipts have been accepted and he is awaiting his ride.
Approximately 5 months and counting.
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Asking Skull
Anyone bothered to ask Skull why he has not replied to the Senate??
Would be an interesting reply!!
Asking Skull
Anyone bothered to ask Skull why he has not replied to the Senate??
Would be an interesting reply!!
Casa briefing has yet to mention the senate inquiry report.
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Catch up.
Sunny # 1476 - "As I've said elsewhere, lobby who you like but press the jobs, growth and investment buttons each time and present as a positive person with good ideas to make the country better."
004# 1500 –"His ticket for the Styx River boat has been endorsed, receipts have been accepted and he is awaiting his ride."
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Does the ferry have a Safety Management System (SMS) Kharon? Do you have a checking and training organisation? Are all your maintenance records in order? Are the crew training records in order and training up to date?
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Rules and regulations for Sunny
Sunny, the ferry operator does have a 'just culture', and all patrons are treated as equal. The SMS was recently updated, submitted and accepted by the reguulator, so safety is assured. However, for those considering taking the journey we can assure you the Ferry passed its last AOC audit and COA audit with robust colours.
The Ferry Master would however like to advise all prospective passengers and those already checked in, the following rules;
- No alcohol is allowed on the upper deck.
- No mention of aviation malfeasance or references to ills of society, tautology, or the mental state of current or past serving CAsA mangers is permitted. The Ferry Master believes in equal rights.
- Dress code. No Hawaiian shirts, banana hammocks or cheesecloth shirts are permitted onboard.
- Complaints about seating, onboard entertainment and ambience will be referred to the Styx ICC for mediation. The Ferry Master absolves himself and all employees of Styx Enterprises of any accountability. (Sounds familiar?)
- Pensioner discounts apply and industry travel rates are available for regulatory staff.
FOOTNOTE: Failure to comply with the above rules, as outlined in Part 666 of the Beyond Death Rule Regulations may incur punitive action, including but not limited to NCN's and/or a Show Cause as to why patronage across the river should be terminated immeditaely and the passenger in question could find themselves without a world to go to.
The Ferry Master would however like to advise all prospective passengers and those already checked in, the following rules;
- No alcohol is allowed on the upper deck.
- No mention of aviation malfeasance or references to ills of society, tautology, or the mental state of current or past serving CAsA mangers is permitted. The Ferry Master believes in equal rights.
- Dress code. No Hawaiian shirts, banana hammocks or cheesecloth shirts are permitted onboard.
- Complaints about seating, onboard entertainment and ambience will be referred to the Styx ICC for mediation. The Ferry Master absolves himself and all employees of Styx Enterprises of any accountability. (Sounds familiar?)
- Pensioner discounts apply and industry travel rates are available for regulatory staff.
FOOTNOTE: Failure to comply with the above rules, as outlined in Part 666 of the Beyond Death Rule Regulations may incur punitive action, including but not limited to NCN's and/or a Show Cause as to why patronage across the river should be terminated immeditaely and the passenger in question could find themselves without a world to go to.
Ministerial Birthday Dinner
What are the chances of Farmer Truss killing the bloated CAsA beast to have for his 65th birthday birthday dinner on 8 October 2013?
FB
PS Smoked Gerbil for entree!
FB
PS Smoked Gerbil for entree!
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A word of caution
Word on the street is that Farmer Truss thinks the Skull is doing a great job and doesn't necessarily share the RRAT Committee's adverse views, so a contract renewal is not beyond the possibilities... 
Also heard that Chris Manning has been lobbying to step into the Skull's shoes if he does go...
Also heard that Chris Manning has been lobbying to step into the Skull's shoes if he does go...
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Mmmmm
Mr Truss is probably mates with the Chaiman of Pel-Air and former Minister of Transport (liberal). Mr Truss will want to get his act into gear or Albo will be all over him for not doing anything! If only aviation safety was important in politics. How can Beaker not be axed today with the 3 other heads??? That guy could go on leave of absence for 3 years and things would only improve. I imagine a guy like Senator Fawcett is very unimpressed!
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Tick Tock your clock is running Warren
Niccolo, folly sir folly. Warrens Trust is aware that he has now inherited a liability by default, and if he thinks Mr Skull is doing a great job then he is going to be painfully disappointed when the loose cannon Skull creates the next disaster that lands on top of the Ministers plate
Frank, smoked Gerbil for entree? Sounds interesting. Does that tasty dish come with lashings of pineapple? I just hope they declaw the gerbil before slow roasting it. Yummy!
Jinglie, patience Padwan, patience. The mi mi mi Beaker has only a short time remaining. The trough is almost empty and the houseboat is coming around the corner!
Mr Truss will have little choice but to act in the next 6 or so months, in some form of capacity. The Pandora's box he inherited still hasn't been opened fully, of that I can assure you. The IOS along with some 'helpful assistance' from vested interests have enough coal to keep this fire burning along nicely. There are some out there who would actually like to prevent a full scale brushfire emergency from igniting and taking hold. Better to back burn and keep things in control. However there is no gaurentee that a lone arsonist won't come along and set the mountainside alight. Some firebugs patience could already be close to caving in.
Frank, smoked Gerbil for entree? Sounds interesting. Does that tasty dish come with lashings of pineapple? I just hope they declaw the gerbil before slow roasting it. Yummy!
Jinglie, patience Padwan, patience. The mi mi mi Beaker has only a short time remaining. The trough is almost empty and the houseboat is coming around the corner!
Mr Truss will have little choice but to act in the next 6 or so months, in some form of capacity. The Pandora's box he inherited still hasn't been opened fully, of that I can assure you. The IOS along with some 'helpful assistance' from vested interests have enough coal to keep this fire burning along nicely. There are some out there who would actually like to prevent a full scale brushfire emergency from igniting and taking hold. Better to back burn and keep things in control. However there is no gaurentee that a lone arsonist won't come along and set the mountainside alight. Some firebugs patience could already be close to caving in.
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Oh, the buzzing of the bees.
PNM # 1506 – "Word on the street is that Farmer Truss thinks the Skull is doing a great job". etc.
004 # 1509 – "Warrens Trust is aware that he has now inherited a liability by default," etc.
"The Pandora's box he inherited still hasn't been opened fully,"
"The Pandora's box he inherited still hasn't been opened fully,"
Word on my street is that McComic is led into his new office each morning by an escort in a white coat. The soundproof office has padded walls and metal screens over the light bulbs (for his own protection) the door firmly secured by a biometric timer lock. They sit him down with a crossword and a cuppa "there you go; now then, be a good lad and sit quietly, we'll let you out at five to five" – Click.
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September 19, 2013
Pel-Air scandal. Will it sink Albanese’s bid to lead Labor?
by Ben Sandilands
air safety
Former Infrastructure and Transport Minister Anthony Albanese took his case to be chosen as the leader of the Labor Opposition to a town hall style meeting in Melbourne this afternoon.
It will be the first of many such meetings by Albanese and his ‘friendly’ alternative for the role Bill Shorten.
Albanese spoke convincingly and lucidly about his achievements in relation to roads and rail, and also spoke about fairness and social justice.
Yet Albanese’s words are under a dark cloud when his apparent contempt for the Australian Senate Committee inquiry into air accident investigations are taken into frame.
Albanese failed to respond within the set period of time to the unanimous multi party report issued by that inquiry, which found, in plain English, that it had no confidence in the testimony of the chief commissioner of the ATSB, Martin Dolan, and exposed the deliberate and admitted action of CASA in withholding from the safety investigator an internal document which was scathing of CASA’s performance in relation to the proper oversight of the Pel-Air operation and which might have prevented the crash of its Westwind air ambulance flight near Norfolk Island in 2009.
However Albanese let the head of the Infrastructure Department, Mike Mrdak, make protestations on his behalf as to how seriously he took these damning findings and how he would respond to them, all at a time when there were more than two and half months left before the Rudd Government entered caretaker mode.
There is a flight data recorder sitting at recoverable depth in the wreckage of the Pel-Air jet which will should determine whether the captain of the flight ever received due warning of deteriorating conditions at Norfolk Island at times when he would have had sufficient fuel to divert to alternative airports in Noumea or Fiji on a flight that began in Apia.
Yet the ATSB refused to recover the data recorder, and produced a report so compromised in its integrity and scope that it makes Australia look ridiculous in the field of air safety investigations.
(It isn’t a matter of the ATSB not producing outstanding reports, but it is a matter of the ATSB producing in this instance, a report that deflected blame from CASA and Pel-Air for failures in due process and standards and framed the captain, who like the others on board, was lucky to survive the ditching in the middle of the night. )
Mr Albanese, is it the Labor way to allow the crushing of individuals through the abuse of process by bureaucrats and agencies in order to deflect attention from their own failures to carry out their duties or obligations to the public?
Is it the Labor way to tolerate deficient performances in the country’s two air safety bodies, ignore parliamentary obligations, and allow Australia’s reputation as a first tier country in relation to air safety to be brought into disrepute?
This is not about what has been reported here, or even about what has been discussed in regulatory circles abroad.
It is about what Mr Albanese’s parliamentary colleagues found, unanimously, in a very detailed inquiry that uncovered a dangerous and unacceptable situation which requires changes in both the ATSB and CASA and the withdrawal of a wrong and unjust accident report in which the public expectations for air safety administration were not met.
Pel-Air scandal. Will it sink Albanese’s bid to lead Labor?
by Ben Sandilands
air safety
Former Infrastructure and Transport Minister Anthony Albanese took his case to be chosen as the leader of the Labor Opposition to a town hall style meeting in Melbourne this afternoon.
It will be the first of many such meetings by Albanese and his ‘friendly’ alternative for the role Bill Shorten.
Albanese spoke convincingly and lucidly about his achievements in relation to roads and rail, and also spoke about fairness and social justice.
Yet Albanese’s words are under a dark cloud when his apparent contempt for the Australian Senate Committee inquiry into air accident investigations are taken into frame.
Albanese failed to respond within the set period of time to the unanimous multi party report issued by that inquiry, which found, in plain English, that it had no confidence in the testimony of the chief commissioner of the ATSB, Martin Dolan, and exposed the deliberate and admitted action of CASA in withholding from the safety investigator an internal document which was scathing of CASA’s performance in relation to the proper oversight of the Pel-Air operation and which might have prevented the crash of its Westwind air ambulance flight near Norfolk Island in 2009.
However Albanese let the head of the Infrastructure Department, Mike Mrdak, make protestations on his behalf as to how seriously he took these damning findings and how he would respond to them, all at a time when there were more than two and half months left before the Rudd Government entered caretaker mode.
There is a flight data recorder sitting at recoverable depth in the wreckage of the Pel-Air jet which will should determine whether the captain of the flight ever received due warning of deteriorating conditions at Norfolk Island at times when he would have had sufficient fuel to divert to alternative airports in Noumea or Fiji on a flight that began in Apia.
Yet the ATSB refused to recover the data recorder, and produced a report so compromised in its integrity and scope that it makes Australia look ridiculous in the field of air safety investigations.
(It isn’t a matter of the ATSB not producing outstanding reports, but it is a matter of the ATSB producing in this instance, a report that deflected blame from CASA and Pel-Air for failures in due process and standards and framed the captain, who like the others on board, was lucky to survive the ditching in the middle of the night. )
Mr Albanese, is it the Labor way to allow the crushing of individuals through the abuse of process by bureaucrats and agencies in order to deflect attention from their own failures to carry out their duties or obligations to the public?
Is it the Labor way to tolerate deficient performances in the country’s two air safety bodies, ignore parliamentary obligations, and allow Australia’s reputation as a first tier country in relation to air safety to be brought into disrepute?
This is not about what has been reported here, or even about what has been discussed in regulatory circles abroad.
It is about what Mr Albanese’s parliamentary colleagues found, unanimously, in a very detailed inquiry that uncovered a dangerous and unacceptable situation which requires changes in both the ATSB and CASA and the withdrawal of a wrong and unjust accident report in which the public expectations for air safety administration were not met.
It appears nobody in either party gives a **** about aviation in any form. Its too complicated and technical for them to get their little brains around.
Wait till an A380 goes in; the ATSB will rule that "Fairy Dust in the engines" caused it.
CASA will then make regulations requiring that only certified and approved fairy dust be applied..
Wait till an A380 goes in; the ATSB will rule that "Fairy Dust in the engines" caused it.
CASA will then make regulations requiring that only certified and approved fairy dust be applied..
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Stone the crows.
Pierce Akerman – Telegraph.
We can only hope that the PM applies the blow torch where needed, give us a DAS who would heave the whole of the motley crew producing such counter productive, un required, amateurish, anally retentive, clap trap like Part 61 overboard. Where is Mike Smith when we need him? Someone has to get a rope on the mad buggers; before every flight becomes a proficiency test, subject to whimsy and affordable only by selling your nearest and dearest into slave labour.
Part 61 effective December – read it and weep.
Sponsored by the IOS chapter robustly opposed to those Permanently Dribbling Platitudes.
Labor’s politicisation of the public service was scandalous.
It debauched the notion of an independent and fearless public sector, though given the Green-Left voting record of the People’s Republic of Canberra, it would seem that little coercion may have been needed.
Those public servants who joined in the political game cannot be surprised they are now paying for their partisanship.
It debauched the notion of an independent and fearless public sector, though given the Green-Left voting record of the People’s Republic of Canberra, it would seem that little coercion may have been needed.
Those public servants who joined in the political game cannot be surprised they are now paying for their partisanship.
Part 61 effective December – read it and weep.
Sponsored by the IOS chapter robustly opposed to those Permanently Dribbling Platitudes.
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