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Incredible. Quoting the 12th Man,
"Geeze you guys are FU&^ED in the head sometimes.
You clowns have bagged Creedy for just about every article he has written over th last 12months, but when he says something negative about management, he is suddenly a good reporter.
Borghetti turns up to the Senate enquiry and the winds of change are sweeping through aviation in this country. This makes him better than AJ and BB because they didnt turn up. Correct me if I am wrong, and I know I`m not, but didn`t Borghetti not show up once before?
Oh thats right, he was doing something more important. Maybe the other 2 were as well today.
Virgin are set to annnounce a Cadet scheme. That is ok, because it doesn`t effect Qantas mainline. It is only the Jetstar cadetship that is a threat to jobs, safety, career progression.
And one last question. You guys are claiming that QF are being unreasonable with EBA negotiations. You have OFFERED to be more productive for a very small wage increase. As a shareholder, Why aren`t you being as productive as you could be in the first place? Why does the company have to pay you more money to be efficient?
"Geeze you guys are FU&^ED in the head sometimes.
You clowns have bagged Creedy for just about every article he has written over th last 12months, but when he says something negative about management, he is suddenly a good reporter.
Borghetti turns up to the Senate enquiry and the winds of change are sweeping through aviation in this country. This makes him better than AJ and BB because they didnt turn up. Correct me if I am wrong, and I know I`m not, but didn`t Borghetti not show up once before?
Oh thats right, he was doing something more important. Maybe the other 2 were as well today.
Virgin are set to annnounce a Cadet scheme. That is ok, because it doesn`t effect Qantas mainline. It is only the Jetstar cadetship that is a threat to jobs, safety, career progression.
And one last question. You guys are claiming that QF are being unreasonable with EBA negotiations. You have OFFERED to be more productive for a very small wage increase. As a shareholder, Why aren`t you being as productive as you could be in the first place? Why does the company have to pay you more money to be efficient?
Why does the company have to pay you more money to be efficient?
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The company is struggling, you pay $180000 to a pilot to sit in the back seat and fold the Captains maps. And they only have to go to work once or twice a month. So if the company pays him even more money,he will do what? An extra trip per month.
Yep that is efficient.
If you want a one sided debate, move this to Qroom or the secret AIPA EBA website. There you can all p!ss and moan about how the world is against you. You can all pat each other on the back and tell yourselves how great you are, how well AIPA is doing in the fight for aviation in this country. And you will have no one interupt you delusions of grandeur and world domination, like some of the ignorant (like me) fools on this site that live in the real friggin world.
The bias and one sidedness of your views continually highlighted everyday.
The only threat to jobs, is Jetstar.
The onlythreat to progression and job security, Jetstar.
The only threat to safety, is Jetstar.
The only pilot group in the world that fly for inferior terms and conditions, Jetstar.
The only bad CEO in the industry is BB and AJ, who used to work at Jetstar.
Nothing more to follow!
Yep that is efficient.
If you want a one sided debate, move this to Qroom or the secret AIPA EBA website. There you can all p!ss and moan about how the world is against you. You can all pat each other on the back and tell yourselves how great you are, how well AIPA is doing in the fight for aviation in this country. And you will have no one interupt you delusions of grandeur and world domination, like some of the ignorant (like me) fools on this site that live in the real friggin world.
The bias and one sidedness of your views continually highlighted everyday.
The only threat to jobs, is Jetstar.
The onlythreat to progression and job security, Jetstar.
The only threat to safety, is Jetstar.
The only pilot group in the world that fly for inferior terms and conditions, Jetstar.
The only bad CEO in the industry is BB and AJ, who used to work at Jetstar.
Nothing more to follow!
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Virgin are set to annnounce a Cadet scheme. That is ok, because it doesn`t effect Qantas mainline. It is only the Jetstar cadetship that is a threat to jobs, safety, career progression.
The only threat to jobs, is Jetstar.
The onlythreat to progression and job security, Jetstar.
The only threat to safety, is Jetstar.
The only pilot group in the world that fly for inferior terms and conditions, Jetstar.
The only bad CEO in the industry is BB and AJ, who used to work at Jetstar.
The onlythreat to progression and job security, Jetstar.
The only threat to safety, is Jetstar.
The only pilot group in the world that fly for inferior terms and conditions, Jetstar.
The only bad CEO in the industry is BB and AJ, who used to work at Jetstar.
Where are the lawyer/barrister/QC style question that really get to the core?
Maybe I need to lower my expectations.
you can all p!ss and moan about how the world is against you
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Metrosmoker
pull your head in. Have a look at similar transport industries and the see how far behind the aviation industry is lagging.
If you feel so strongly about these overpaid Qantas pilots how about:
1. Sell your shares
2. Buy more shares (alot more) to buy a seat on the board
3. Go visit ah at the agm and cast your vote
as from you "the company is struggling" and it has nothing to do with second officers pay or contributions...
How about the highest paid management team for any airline in the world...
Or the continued mismanagement of crew and resources... Yet with your shareholder vote you would prefer to piss it up the wall and keep them in place and blame eba negotiations...
And I don't even work for them or any subsidiaries
pull your head in. Have a look at similar transport industries and the see how far behind the aviation industry is lagging.
If you feel so strongly about these overpaid Qantas pilots how about:
1. Sell your shares
2. Buy more shares (alot more) to buy a seat on the board
3. Go visit ah at the agm and cast your vote
as from you "the company is struggling" and it has nothing to do with second officers pay or contributions...
How about the highest paid management team for any airline in the world...
Or the continued mismanagement of crew and resources... Yet with your shareholder vote you would prefer to piss it up the wall and keep them in place and blame eba negotiations...
And I don't even work for them or any subsidiaries
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The real circus is not Jetstar but the clowns giving submissions now...
Casa can't be serious... The are so far the most amateur submissions and least knowledgable of anything even remotely close to reality. Clean sweep, change the name again, and start it all over again this is absolute bs...
To many chiefs not enough Indians no one knows their ass from their elbow...
Casa can't be serious... The are so far the most amateur submissions and least knowledgable of anything even remotely close to reality. Clean sweep, change the name again, and start it all over again this is absolute bs...
To many chiefs not enough Indians no one knows their ass from their elbow...
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What a cracker by the CASA bloke.
"There is no such thing as a low cost".."the fees are fixed, the charges are fixed, the fuel is fixed so where do you get the saving?...the CREW".
"There is no such thing as a low cost".."the fees are fixed, the charges are fixed, the fuel is fixed so where do you get the saving?...the CREW".
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And Ramped it up quite rightly...
Why do we need to continue to wait and see with these clowns. Make A decision and regulate safety not just lobbying bs...
And yes as far as this clown is concerned money talks...
Why do we need to continue to wait and see with these clowns. Make A decision and regulate safety not just lobbying bs...
And yes as far as this clown is concerned money talks...
"There is no such thing as a low cost".."the fees are fixed, the charges are fixed, the fuel is fixed so where do you get the saving?...the CREW".
Give that man a medal! Best bit is it didn't come from a pilot!
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Everybody bags J* for cadets then Virgin announces them and its hailed as a beginning of safety?
But getting back to the topic: I don't think there is as much of an issue with the J* cadets, as there is an issue with the T&C's & downright devious methods J* management (& their partners in crime) have gone about implementing the scheme in the first place.
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Neither do I have a problem with cadets.
What I do have a problem with is these schemes are being introduced in Australia for the wrong reasons. Oxford Aviation Academy are at the centre of it!!
I could tell you stories about that place that would make you hair curl however it seems that the Jetstar Culture has rubbed off on them and the Instructors are all too **** scared to say anything due to being in fear of their jobs.
Instructors: It is not dobbing in in the adult world and it is called being responsible. If you guys won't make your concerns known to those that can make a difference either internally of to CASA then please explain how an airline would consider that you would speak up to the captain when you are in the RHS and he is texting on a 700ft final in an A320?
There are real safety issues there!!
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The Kelpie
Neither do I have a problem with cadets.
What I do have a problem with is these schemes are being introduced in Australia for the wrong reasons. Oxford Aviation Academy are at the centre of it!!
I could tell you stories about that place that would make you hair curl however it seems that the Jetstar Culture has rubbed off on them and the Instructors are all too **** scared to say anything due to being in fear of their jobs.
Instructors: It is not dobbing in in the adult world and it is called being responsible. If you guys won't make your concerns known to those that can make a difference either internally of to CASA then please explain how an airline would consider that you would speak up to the captain when you are in the RHS and he is texting on a 700ft final in an A320?
There are real safety issues there!!
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Where does this claim come from?
I don't know if Delta is highest but I looked there first - CEO was paid US$8.4m in 2009 (latest period disclosed), and US$17.4m in 2008. Delta's 5 highest paid executives received US$19m in 2009.
From Qantas annual report, for the 8 executives disclosed total remuneration was A$12.6m in 2010 and A$7.9m in 2009.
How about the highest paid management team for any airline in the world
I don't know if Delta is highest but I looked there first - CEO was paid US$8.4m in 2009 (latest period disclosed), and US$17.4m in 2008. Delta's 5 highest paid executives received US$19m in 2009.
From Qantas annual report, for the 8 executives disclosed total remuneration was A$12.6m in 2010 and A$7.9m in 2009.
