Qf LAME EBA Negotiations Begin
Edited after buying new calculator, one with 10 spaces across the display!
I thought reference to the Club was due to this;
Union heavies ride Qantas gravy plane | thetelegraph.com.au
Might as well get as many of us they can into the trough. Stay away from these trinkets Steve, they come with a heavy price.
I thought reference to the Club was due to this;
Union heavies ride Qantas gravy plane | thetelegraph.com.au
Might as well get as many of us they can into the trough. Stay away from these trinkets Steve, they come with a heavy price.
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Did anyone else see the "Today" show this morning.
Apparently the next interest rate rise will be due to the Qantas engineers pay dispute.
Some journos will say anything to keep in the good books with certain major airlines.
Enjoy the pointy end Rossco.
Apparently the next interest rate rise will be due to the Qantas engineers pay dispute.
Some journos will say anything to keep in the good books with certain major airlines.
Enjoy the pointy end Rossco.
Just like how the Today Show also started one story on Whooping Cough (or something like it) with "As Qantas launches its first SYD to DFW flights mothers are being warned about the increased risk of blah blah blah..."
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Obviously cutting edge journalism on the Today Show! Almost as good as that other bastion of journalistic excellence, Sunrise!
I would find it a bit easier to take from Sunrise, though, as Kochie used to be their finance reporter.
Although their association with Jetstar would get the conspiracy theorists going...
What was that about "cloud cuckoo land"?
I would find it a bit easier to take from Sunrise, though, as Kochie used to be their finance reporter.
Although their association with Jetstar would get the conspiracy theorists going...What was that about "cloud cuckoo land"?
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Not sure on the Maths. Please check my figures.
I thought he also said 1600 members of the ALAEA in QF. So that equates to $10000 for three years or $3333.33 per year for each member.
Sounds reasonable to me.
So how much does Alan think we should be getting?
I heard we offered them 3% and our current clauses, they said no. If as Olivia has alluded, on average we earn $150K PA, 3% equates to $4500 PA. He seems upset we are asking for less than they have offered? At $120K PA, 3% is $3600 PA.
I thought he also said 1600 members of the ALAEA in QF. So that equates to $10000 for three years or $3333.33 per year for each member.
Sounds reasonable to me.
So how much does Alan think we should be getting?
I heard we offered them 3% and our current clauses, they said no. If as Olivia has alluded, on average we earn $150K PA, 3% equates to $4500 PA. He seems upset we are asking for less than they have offered? At $120K PA, 3% is $3600 PA.
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How much more of this do we need to put up with?
I am sure that the Singapore government are not going to allow AJ to operate out of their country when it is in total competition with their government backed airline.
How much is Qantas paying for the overwhelming ad campaign for Jetstar?
How does the Australian government feel about the loss of taxable income from all the outsourcing which is going on?
What is CASA doing about Qantas' attempts to water down and undermine Air Safety in this country?
When are the shareholders in Qantas going to receive a dividend and some real direction?
What is it with all the Union bashing from management?
It is totally unnecessary. Oldmeadow Consulting is leading you up the garden path. They are the only ones to gain from this terrible situation.
Engage with your employees and get back on track before we and the public destroy you.
Get real and get rid of all the top heavies who are dragging the company down for their own benefit.
What a bunch of sycophantic wankers.
I am sure that the Singapore government are not going to allow AJ to operate out of their country when it is in total competition with their government backed airline.
How much is Qantas paying for the overwhelming ad campaign for Jetstar?
How does the Australian government feel about the loss of taxable income from all the outsourcing which is going on?
What is CASA doing about Qantas' attempts to water down and undermine Air Safety in this country?
When are the shareholders in Qantas going to receive a dividend and some real direction?
What is it with all the Union bashing from management?
It is totally unnecessary. Oldmeadow Consulting is leading you up the garden path. They are the only ones to gain from this terrible situation.
Engage with your employees and get back on track before we and the public destroy you.
Get real and get rid of all the top heavies who are dragging the company down for their own benefit.
What a bunch of sycophantic wankers.
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What a bunch of synchophantic wankers
I think this onslaught of anti union tactics is classic physcological warfare.
Do you really think that there is this endless supply of Asian aviation professionals ready and waiting to take up very mediocre T&C's for a foreign carrier? SIA pay their people quite well and it would take a huge nudge for their people to jump ship.
I'm thinking this is a sign of a very desperate attempt by Q management to propogate self doubt.
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Please tell me that this reference to Qantas Club membership is a result of the leprechaun splitting a fan disc inside that delusional head of his?
Makes me wonder that all Managers have access to the Qantas Club and just a little clarification on the Qantas Club , BHP, FMG and RIO employee all have access to the Captains Club and this has been a big issue with its members who do not want to be seen with the common man . Quotes like " there's to much flouro in the club " have resulted in different classes of Clubs , with majority in the Captains Club then you have the Chairman's lounge and The Gold and Platinum Lounges.
So you will not find AJ in the Captains Lounge , and anyone with a Business Class ticket is entitled to gain access to the Captains Club.
The Captains Club has become a very crowded Bar and Bistro that memberships and included in wage negotiations and not paid for .
Makes me wonder that all Managers have access to the Qantas Club and just a little clarification on the Qantas Club , BHP, FMG and RIO employee all have access to the Captains Club and this has been a big issue with its members who do not want to be seen with the common man . Quotes like " there's to much flouro in the club " have resulted in different classes of Clubs , with majority in the Captains Club then you have the Chairman's lounge and The Gold and Platinum Lounges.
So you will not find AJ in the Captains Lounge , and anyone with a Business Class ticket is entitled to gain access to the Captains Club.
The Captains Club has become a very crowded Bar and Bistro that memberships and included in wage negotiations and not paid for .
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We can't say much about negotiations right now guys as it is under discussion in the Commission. I must admit we were pretty angry today when we learnt that Joyce had been having a crack at us in the press whilst we were trying to negotiate a solution. Well done Alan, always putting the airline first.
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I am not aware of any claim for Qantas club membership. We are not allowed to join however, there has been some discussion in our area about this..... along the lines of US PAYING for membership and being ALLOWED to join. Suggestion was salary sacrafice membership. Doubt it would be allowed.
Anyway, I am sure AJ has thrown this one as yet another ploy to get the public off-side with us.
Anyway, I am sure AJ has thrown this one as yet another ploy to get the public off-side with us.
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I guess it's safe to assume that those who "own" the bat and ball won't be playing the game quite the same way as we saw last time. No, I'm sure they've had their coaching and gathered in their dressing rooms to discuss the new game plan. They will have learned and mutated just like the way bacteria develop new more grotesque strains in resistance to medicine..
We should not be surprised at the levels to which they will stoop to win the game. We must expect the twists and turns that will come. These new guys won't enjoy the ride nor will they entertain the possibility that we have credibility and validity and strength. But, they will play hard.
It disappoints me immensely to see the blatant destruction that this current regime continues to wreak upon our once proud and highly esteemed company. Where once Qantas was the national icon, the essence of all that it is to be Australian, with a reputation for safety and quality second to none, it now barely holds a candle to its former self. I hold the current board along with their predecessors responsible for the slow death of Qantas; the continual undermining of the foundation of safety and respect for us as engineers and the work we do.
The character of a man becomes clear in adversity. I still hold to values that our predecessors gave heed; honesty, integrity, going the extra mile, taking pride in your work, close enough is not necessarily good enough..
As engineers I think there is still the essence of this within us all despite the constant dilution of respect, nay disdain and utter contempt held for us in the upper eschelons.
We have a proud history, and that IMO, is worth fighting for.
..end of rant..
We should not be surprised at the levels to which they will stoop to win the game. We must expect the twists and turns that will come. These new guys won't enjoy the ride nor will they entertain the possibility that we have credibility and validity and strength. But, they will play hard.
It disappoints me immensely to see the blatant destruction that this current regime continues to wreak upon our once proud and highly esteemed company. Where once Qantas was the national icon, the essence of all that it is to be Australian, with a reputation for safety and quality second to none, it now barely holds a candle to its former self. I hold the current board along with their predecessors responsible for the slow death of Qantas; the continual undermining of the foundation of safety and respect for us as engineers and the work we do.
The character of a man becomes clear in adversity. I still hold to values that our predecessors gave heed; honesty, integrity, going the extra mile, taking pride in your work, close enough is not necessarily good enough..
As engineers I think there is still the essence of this within us all despite the constant dilution of respect, nay disdain and utter contempt held for us in the upper eschelons.
We have a proud history, and that IMO, is worth fighting for.
..end of rant..
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As for Qantas basing some of its international operations outside Australia due to a review of the International Business as reported in the media, surely this could be challenged as a contravention to the Qantas Sales Act.
Part of the act reads as follows:
(e)
prohibit Qantas from taking any action to bring about a change of its company name to a name that does not include the expression "Qantas"; and
(f)
prohibit Qantas from conducting scheduled international air transport passenger services under a name other than:
(i)
its company name; or
(ii)
a registered business name that includes the expression "Qantas"; and
(g)
require that the head office of Qantas always be located in Australia; and
(h)
require that of the facilities, taken in aggregate, which are used by Qantas in the provision of scheduled international air transport services (for example, facilities for the maintenance and housing of aircraft, catering, flight operations, training and administration), the facilities located in Australia, when compared with those located in any other country, must represent the principal operational centre for Qantas; and
(i)
require that, at all times, at least two-thirds of the directors of Qantas are to be Australian citizens; and
(j)
require that, at a meeting of the board of directors of Qantas, the director presiding at the meeting (however described) must be an Australian citizen; and
(k)
prohibit Qantas, at all times, from taking any action to become incorporated outside Australia.
Part of the act reads as follows:
(e)
prohibit Qantas from taking any action to bring about a change of its company name to a name that does not include the expression "Qantas"; and
(f)
prohibit Qantas from conducting scheduled international air transport passenger services under a name other than:
(i)
its company name; or
(ii)
a registered business name that includes the expression "Qantas"; and
(g)
require that the head office of Qantas always be located in Australia; and
(h)
require that of the facilities, taken in aggregate, which are used by Qantas in the provision of scheduled international air transport services (for example, facilities for the maintenance and housing of aircraft, catering, flight operations, training and administration), the facilities located in Australia, when compared with those located in any other country, must represent the principal operational centre for Qantas; and
(i)
require that, at all times, at least two-thirds of the directors of Qantas are to be Australian citizens; and
(j)
require that, at a meeting of the board of directors of Qantas, the director presiding at the meeting (however described) must be an Australian citizen; and
(k)
prohibit Qantas, at all times, from taking any action to become incorporated outside Australia.
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Regarding our fearless leader's outburst in the SMH about our ridiculous wage claims..It would be ridiculous if it matched the 44% given to you when you signed on. Or perhaps the 11 million GD got for 5 months of hard toil. Was it 56 or 58% the top execs got not so long ago?
Bravo Alan
, cry me a freaking river.Hypocrisy, look it up in the dictionary.
$160,000,000 over 3 years. That's $100,000 each over the 3 year agreement.
You must have getting excom's claims mixed up with our pissy 3% request old chap.
And to think I gave you public support after GD left the top job in the hope you would actually change the culture.
Bravo Alan
, cry me a freaking river.Hypocrisy, look it up in the dictionary.$160,000,000 over 3 years. That's $100,000 each over the 3 year agreement.
You must have getting excom's claims mixed up with our pissy 3% request old chap.
And to think I gave you public support after GD left the top job in the hope you would actually change the culture.
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$160 million
This latest outburst really says it all,again & again they are happy to falsify whatever figures they can,what a pity nobody can invoke fines for lying.
I bet there wont be any retraction either-well,like they say ELEPHANTS NEVER FORGET,and just to clarify that comment for manager's benefit,consider the Lame to be an elephant!
Dont whinge about international passenger numbers falling-they didnt start falling till you stopped flying to the destinations they want to go to,not hard to work out what the problem is-DUH!!
I bet there wont be any retraction either-well,like they say ELEPHANTS NEVER FORGET,and just to clarify that comment for manager's benefit,consider the Lame to be an elephant!
Dont whinge about international passenger numbers falling-they didnt start falling till you stopped flying to the destinations they want to go to,not hard to work out what the problem is-DUH!!
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I'm really starting to get pi$$ed off with all the bu11**** the little leprechaun focker is peddling to the madia.
Bring on the PIA! I need somewhere to direct my frustration!
Bring on the PIA! I need somewhere to direct my frustration!
