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Starting in the second half of this year????
•No A320 Fleet manager, training/check crew or line pilots within their ranks (advert appeared just today - normally 3 month notice period for currently employed folk. I can just hear Max at MATFO now "you want who to be your fleet manager - I don't think so?" Just as they did with the original Tiger CP. Experience is a CASA requirement for new type operations. They will need to find someone good!)
•If they can find crew how do direct entry captains sit with the union?
•No AOC with A320 on it yet, let alone CofA for the machine itself(CASA's service delivery standard for new type on AOC is 130 days I believe - working days that is = 5.9 months)
•Has CASA even provided an estimate yet and have XR paid the 50% up front.
•No manuals written to even allow the start of CASA's process (still under construction at Altara I hear and I've never heard of CASA accepting the "first cut" of any manual they have assessed)
•No MEL or SOM for the engineering side of the house (I understand the talk in the XR hangar is "we have no chance of getting ready")
•Any spares on order to keep a 17 year old aircraft with 22 previous owners running.
•Speaking of 22 owners - how is the back-to-birth tracing of the maintenance files tracking (can't get an CofA from CASA without that)
•XR CAR 30 has no A320 on their approval (and JHAS are booked solid)
•And that's all before a partial evac demo is even booked in with CASA who have a total of 1 Cabin Safety Inspector (other on maturnity leave I understand)
Always love to see our industry expand, but operations in the second half of the year are just a dream I think. A nicely painted machine means little sadly. I have a nice tattoo but that doesn't get me into the Gypsy Jokers. Don't polish your wings just yet lads.
•No A320 Fleet manager, training/check crew or line pilots within their ranks (advert appeared just today - normally 3 month notice period for currently employed folk. I can just hear Max at MATFO now "you want who to be your fleet manager - I don't think so?" Just as they did with the original Tiger CP. Experience is a CASA requirement for new type operations. They will need to find someone good!)
•If they can find crew how do direct entry captains sit with the union?
•No AOC with A320 on it yet, let alone CofA for the machine itself(CASA's service delivery standard for new type on AOC is 130 days I believe - working days that is = 5.9 months)
•Has CASA even provided an estimate yet and have XR paid the 50% up front.
•No manuals written to even allow the start of CASA's process (still under construction at Altara I hear and I've never heard of CASA accepting the "first cut" of any manual they have assessed)
•No MEL or SOM for the engineering side of the house (I understand the talk in the XR hangar is "we have no chance of getting ready")
•Any spares on order to keep a 17 year old aircraft with 22 previous owners running.
•Speaking of 22 owners - how is the back-to-birth tracing of the maintenance files tracking (can't get an CofA from CASA without that)
•XR CAR 30 has no A320 on their approval (and JHAS are booked solid)
•And that's all before a partial evac demo is even booked in with CASA who have a total of 1 Cabin Safety Inspector (other on maturnity leave I understand)
Always love to see our industry expand, but operations in the second half of the year are just a dream I think. A nicely painted machine means little sadly. I have a nice tattoo but that doesn't get me into the Gypsy Jokers. Don't polish your wings just yet lads.
Good on ya Skywest, looking forward to seeing the next three online.
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I guess ol' evilc is quietly sitting in his corner having a good chew on his Akubra!
Good on ya Skywest, looking forward to seeing the next three online.
Good on ya Skywest, looking forward to seeing the next three online.
Where are you now, evilc? Cat got your tongue? Always had plenty to say when they were jumping the hurdles with this project...
520.
Whats your problem with evilc, he didn't say XR would'nt get up, his deal was he would go and piss on a different tree if XR were up early July. So far in my view he is correct. There is some reference to years end, but I don't think that was part of the bet. Correct me if I'm wrong. In any case, I presume it still has to go through the AOC process yet, so probably will be years end before it's up will it not.
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Bet?
It would have been July had it not been for some unforseen circumstances. Most of the delay from what I understand was brought about by other parties.
I'm led to believe that process is underway now, and should be complete within 2 weeks or so, but I could be completely wrong.
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In any case, I presume it still has to go through the AOC process yet, so probably will be years end before it's up will it not.
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yeah well coulda shoulda woulda, wasnt the argument, it was about the process, nothing to do with XR's desires ambitions or capabilities.
two weeks is ambitious too, casa needs 30 days notice just to scratch their arse and you can't book an emergency evac demo until all the boxes are ticked and the aircraft is ready to go.
years end is looking very likely, sounds like you owe evilc an apology.
two weeks is ambitious too, casa needs 30 days notice just to scratch their arse and you can't book an emergency evac demo until all the boxes are ticked and the aircraft is ready to go.
years end is looking very likely, sounds like you owe evilc an apology.
I'm sure they have and I'm sure XR would be pushing real hard for a date in November, because we all know the world stops in December, pretty hard to put a casa team together then.
they still have a few weeks it is do-able, but lets wait and see how they go.
I guess I should explain what has to happen for the benefit of those who don't know.
XR have done this before, twice in fact, once for the original charter AOC and then again about 12 months later when it became an RPT AOC High Capacity when the F100 was first introduced.
The AOC is issued in much the same way as we would do an instrument rating renewal. A CASA team is assembled, Engineering, Cabin crew, Tech crew and a team leader who oversees everything. they come from all around the country. All the boxes must be ticked "on the day" the grand finale is the line flight and emergency evac demo, if there are any show stoppers in there and just one of those boxes are not ticked, it's all over and you have to do the whole thing again and that won't happen inside 30 days.
Now XR have done this before, however none of the original team are still with XR today, so it will be a brand new first time team, we cheat actually and put someone in there who has done it before, because thats the smart thing to do. It's an absolutely daunting day for the entire team and at the end of the day the team is totally exhausted, there's nothing fun in it at all.
This is not something you want to be doing twice, so getting it right is essential.
Good on them and good luck.
they still have a few weeks it is do-able, but lets wait and see how they go.
I guess I should explain what has to happen for the benefit of those who don't know.
XR have done this before, twice in fact, once for the original charter AOC and then again about 12 months later when it became an RPT AOC High Capacity when the F100 was first introduced.
The AOC is issued in much the same way as we would do an instrument rating renewal. A CASA team is assembled, Engineering, Cabin crew, Tech crew and a team leader who oversees everything. they come from all around the country. All the boxes must be ticked "on the day" the grand finale is the line flight and emergency evac demo, if there are any show stoppers in there and just one of those boxes are not ticked, it's all over and you have to do the whole thing again and that won't happen inside 30 days.
Now XR have done this before, however none of the original team are still with XR today, so it will be a brand new first time team, we cheat actually and put someone in there who has done it before, because thats the smart thing to do. It's an absolutely daunting day for the entire team and at the end of the day the team is totally exhausted, there's nothing fun in it at all.
This is not something you want to be doing twice, so getting it right is essential.
Good on them and good luck.
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Pfft, get off the grass.
Xeptu,
Done two days ago mate. I know cause I took part and CASA were there.
Ummmm no. I think perhaps you should apologise for coming out with strong opinions based on a minimum of insight. Fact of the matter is, they're most of the way there. Regarless of what some people with their noses out of joint will publicise.
Another grossly misleading statement.
I guess you alongsid others will conveniently disappear from the forum when it's doing its first revenue flight. Probably better gone anyway!
two weeks is ambitious too, casa needs 30 days notice just to scratch their arse and you can't book an emergency evac demo until all the boxes are ticked and the aircraft is ready to go
sounds like you owe evilc an apology
Now XR have done this before, however none of the original team are still with XR today, so it will be a brand new first time team
I guess you alongsid others will conveniently disappear from the forum when it's doing its first revenue flight. Probably better gone anyway!
Whats up your arse 520, whats with the personal attacks. No-one is bagging out XR, none of my statements are incorrect. Just out of interest since you seem to know so much about it, who from the original team is still or back with XR, a PM will suffice.
An emergency Evac Demo with casa may well have been done, and a couple more too before D day, but, you'll still have to do one on D day with the full team. At least thats how it was 3 years ago, can't imagine anything has changed since then.
An emergency Evac Demo with casa may well have been done, and a couple more too before D day, but, you'll still have to do one on D day with the full team. At least thats how it was 3 years ago, can't imagine anything has changed since then.