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Transposed from the Qantas pilots' chatsite.
JetConnect to Operate Domestic in OZ??
The trans tasman deal has been made and the statement release is imminent that Tasman services are to be domestic ( ie no customs ) and operated from domestic terminals. This means that JetConnect will operate out of our domestic gates?? This is very very concerning to me as a short haul pilot. IS IT NOT TIME TO LET THE PUBLIC KNOW THAT THESE SERVICES ARE NOT QANTAS SERVICES AT ALL, SELLING ON QANTAS'S REPUTATION AND SERVICE, ALL THE WHILE AT THE COMPROMISE OF SAFETY see article below
Trans-Tasman travel costs set to drop
Angela Harper
August 4, 2009
The cost of flying between New Zealand and Australia looks set to drop as trans-Tasman red tape could be cut.
Australian and New Zealand customs last year reached an initial agreement to streamline travel between the two nations while boosting border security.
The plan to create a common border will allow trans-Tasman travellers to avoid customs and immigration, dropping flight prices by up to 30 per cent and allowing an explosion in potential new flight routes.
New Zealand Prime Minister John Key, who spoke to AAP before addressing a business forum in Brisbane on Tuesday, said he, together with Prime Minister Kevin Rudd, would formally announce the changes when they meet in a few weeks to discuss the bilateral Closer Economic Relations (CER) agreement.
"It is a positive announcement which will allow New Zealanders and Australians to cross each others' borders more easily," Mr Key told AAP.
"It's an attempt to streamline the process and to ensure that it's a more seamless and painless process for Australians and New Zealanders as they travel across the border."
Any new rules would not affect quarantine or biosecurity "level of exposure" between the two countries, he said.
About one million Australians visit New Zealand each year.
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I heard yesterday from a Line Captain that he was told by a "Struggling JetConnect" captain under training that they have been told that they are getting not only 4-5 737-800's, but a further 4 next year.
AM I THE ONLY ONE WHO SEE'S THIS!!!! CMON GUYS CALL/EMAIL YOUR AIPA REP [email protected] and GIVE THEM SUPPORT FOR THEIR MEETING ON TUESDAY. THIS AFFECTS EVERYONE IN QANTAS. NOT JUST SHORT HAUL.
JetConnect to Operate Domestic in OZ??
The trans tasman deal has been made and the statement release is imminent that Tasman services are to be domestic ( ie no customs ) and operated from domestic terminals. This means that JetConnect will operate out of our domestic gates?? This is very very concerning to me as a short haul pilot. IS IT NOT TIME TO LET THE PUBLIC KNOW THAT THESE SERVICES ARE NOT QANTAS SERVICES AT ALL, SELLING ON QANTAS'S REPUTATION AND SERVICE, ALL THE WHILE AT THE COMPROMISE OF SAFETY see article below
Trans-Tasman travel costs set to drop
Angela Harper
August 4, 2009
The cost of flying between New Zealand and Australia looks set to drop as trans-Tasman red tape could be cut.
Australian and New Zealand customs last year reached an initial agreement to streamline travel between the two nations while boosting border security.
The plan to create a common border will allow trans-Tasman travellers to avoid customs and immigration, dropping flight prices by up to 30 per cent and allowing an explosion in potential new flight routes.
New Zealand Prime Minister John Key, who spoke to AAP before addressing a business forum in Brisbane on Tuesday, said he, together with Prime Minister Kevin Rudd, would formally announce the changes when they meet in a few weeks to discuss the bilateral Closer Economic Relations (CER) agreement.
"It is a positive announcement which will allow New Zealanders and Australians to cross each others' borders more easily," Mr Key told AAP.
"It's an attempt to streamline the process and to ensure that it's a more seamless and painless process for Australians and New Zealanders as they travel across the border."
Any new rules would not affect quarantine or biosecurity "level of exposure" between the two countries, he said.
About one million Australians visit New Zealand each year.
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I heard yesterday from a Line Captain that he was told by a "Struggling JetConnect" captain under training that they have been told that they are getting not only 4-5 737-800's, but a further 4 next year.
AM I THE ONLY ONE WHO SEE'S THIS!!!! CMON GUYS CALL/EMAIL YOUR AIPA REP [email protected] and GIVE THEM SUPPORT FOR THEIR MEETING ON TUESDAY. THIS AFFECTS EVERYONE IN QANTAS. NOT JUST SHORT HAUL.
NZ will be to Australian aviation what India was to the computer industry. Because of their low wages, more favourable IR legislation they will drive Australian pilots wages down. QF will use Jetstar NZ against the OZ Jetstar and another company maybe jetconnict against mainline. So lookout people.
Pac Blue could be used the same way against VB if they're not careful.
However it does make you question the whole point of the QF recruiting system if they are happy to offload the red tails to the cheapest bidder.
Pac Blue could be used the same way against VB if they're not careful.
However it does make you question the whole point of the QF recruiting system if they are happy to offload the red tails to the cheapest bidder.
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bloody bi-lateral B.S. - we need to send the pollies and the departmental flunkies to Canda for a few strategic lessons..............in fact we should take the same approach with electoral boundaries !!!!!!!!
These deals, the outrageous Dept of Transport statements last week on EU Open Skies and the ongoing cascade of ignorant, uneducated IASC approvals of late under their "acting Exec Director" (emphasis on acting) only affirm that we soon will be looking for the Centrelink queues to be arranged in seniority order.
Note to the Minister and his under achieving (small a) advisors:
Paragraph 4 criteria refers to the benefit to the AUSTRALIAN PUBLIC not overseas operators - OS airlines are not interestd in bringing people TO Australia but to take pax OUT.
Every person working in Australian aviation needs to write to the Minister and their local Member and remind them that the next election is not that far away
AT
These deals, the outrageous Dept of Transport statements last week on EU Open Skies and the ongoing cascade of ignorant, uneducated IASC approvals of late under their "acting Exec Director" (emphasis on acting) only affirm that we soon will be looking for the Centrelink queues to be arranged in seniority order.
Note to the Minister and his under achieving (small a) advisors:
Paragraph 4 criteria refers to the benefit to the AUSTRALIAN PUBLIC not overseas operators - OS airlines are not interestd in bringing people TO Australia but to take pax OUT.
Every person working in Australian aviation needs to write to the Minister and their local Member and remind them that the next election is not that far away
AT
SELLING ON QANTAS'S REPUTATION AND SERVICE, ALL THE WHILE AT THE COMPROMISE OF SAFETY
Another interesting fact is that it is the Aussie owned airlines that are attempting to drive down pilots wages in New Zealand. Neither of the Aussie owned operations are attempting to match what has been traditionally paid over here. Once they have finished shafting pilots on this side of the Tasman they turn their attention towards home.
Another case of Aussies dishing it out to Aussies.
Another case of Aussies dishing it out to Aussies.
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Don't worry! Atrophy is natural.
Protectionism won't save Air Canada or Qantas and Virgin Blue. All surviving international carriers will have to develop global scale to continue to prosper.
Sorry to suggest the unimaginable, but getting the Kiwi's and Aussie's to fight it out downunder, is just what New York's and London's PE Raiders pray for.
Get with the program and back CEO's who have the vision to see what tomorrow will bring.
Good luck!
Protectionism won't save Air Canada or Qantas and Virgin Blue. All surviving international carriers will have to develop global scale to continue to prosper.
Sorry to suggest the unimaginable, but getting the Kiwi's and Aussie's to fight it out downunder, is just what New York's and London's PE Raiders pray for.
Get with the program and back CEO's who have the vision to see what tomorrow will bring.
Good luck!
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SELLING ON QANTAS'S REPUTATION AND SERVICE, ALL THE WHILE AT THE COMPROMISE OF SAFETY
Yeah ok, it is an attack on oz conditions and jobs, but please come up with a better argument to take to the public...
Yeah ok, it is an attack on oz conditions and jobs, but please come up with a better argument to take to the public...
Ah, but you say I have no evidence! Wrong! Colgan Airways. The rot has started and will not end until accountants realise the actual value of a human life, not the paper value!
And, as I stated, there is plenty of evidence from other industries of "cheaper not being better". How many indian call centres have you had a successful call with lately? How do chinese products hold up in comparision with others?
Qantas is a another good example. The airline has for many years now p1ssed the travelling public off sooooo much, that the only reason many people fly with them these days is because of the pilots. They honestly belive that the pilots ARE SAFER. Now even they are being replaced by cheaper imitations? As a paying passenger, I wouldn't be happy.
I understand your point, Growler, but with respect, I disagree.
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What I find more important is how will the government controll immigration into Aust if it is a domestic flight from New Zealand.
I believe the immigration criteria into NZ maybe a little less stringent then Aust, could be an easy way into the country.
I believe the immigration criteria into NZ maybe a little less stringent then Aust, could be an easy way into the country.
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Qantas is a another good example. The airline has for many years now p1ssed the travelling public off sooooo much, that the only reason many people fly with them these days is because of the pilots. They honestly belive that the pilots ARE SAFER. Now even they are being replaced by cheaper imitations? As a paying passenger, I wouldn't be happy.
Many passengers continue to fly Qantas because:
A/ their company has a corporate deal with them
B/ They are allowed to fly business class between SYD and CBR, or some other silly short sector, which their company will pay for.
C/ they are locked into the frequent flyer program, and have too many points to lose if they get out, and not enough for a free sandwich,
D/ the perceived MAINTENANCE standards are higher.
E/ QF has a monopoly on some sector(maybe regional!?)
I have NEVER EVER EVER heard any passenger prefer to fly QF because they reckon the pilots are safer.
Do NOT misquote me on this please. I am not saying that QF pilots are any better or worse than the rest of OZ/NZ pilots. I am saying that the public does not PERCEIVE them to be any better than the rest.
Whilst we are on the subject... Who trained the Jetconnect chaps? My understanding , and I may be incorrect, of it is that they all were trained in the QF simulator in Melbourne, by the SAME instructors that train "mainline" Qf drivers.
I am not sticking for companies that want to lower wages, but I thought the Arrogance of the post above was just horrendous.
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This is very very concerning to me as a short haul pilot. IS IT NOT TIME TO LET THE PUBLIC KNOW THAT THESE SERVICES ARE NOT QANTAS SERVICES AT ALL, SELLING ON QANTAS'S REPUTATION AND SERVICE, ALL THE WHILE AT THE COMPROMISE OF SAFETY
They're certainly more Qantas than Jetstar!
And how will safety be compromised?? I reckon you'd be in no better hands than than a couple of local 73' drivers that regularly fly in and out of places like Wellington, Dunedin, Queenstown, Roto-vegas!
And no I don't work for either JC or JS.
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Apache, I'm not after a p1ssing contest with you. You have your opinion, I have mine. But you did say:
yet you choose to misquote me? Hardly fair.
I fly with pax who tell me exactly the only reason that they choose to fly with us. The pilots. Just because you haven't heard it does not mean it isn't true! Perhaps you need to get out more.
Ok - point A, B, and E are perhaps true, but we are referring to a punter who has a choice in where they spend their money, right? Point "C"? Well, a punter can choose VB for rewards program, correct? Hardly locked in. As far as point "D", you have to be joking, right? Have you not seen the news lately about QF perceived maintenance standards? Whether it's true or not, QF maintenance is now perceived by punters to be done overseas, because it's cheaper. Don't bother telling me that one aint true!
And as far as Jitcinnict having the SAME instructors? That might be about as far as it goes, fella. Are the SAME standards applied in the sim? Are the SAME standards applied in recruitment? Are the standards the SAME on the line? Maybe. Maybe not. But as a paying punter, I wouldn't like my pilots sitting up the front there wondering how in the hell they are going to pay their mortgage, let alone feed the kids. Darwinism, mate!
You might call it arrogance, my friend. I call it "telling it like it is". If you want political correctness, and to feel warm and fuzzy in your low paid LCC job, fine. But the fact are the facts. You get what you pay for in this beautiful world.
Feel free NOT to misquote me, too.
Do NOT misquote me on this please.
I fly with pax who tell me exactly the only reason that they choose to fly with us. The pilots. Just because you haven't heard it does not mean it isn't true! Perhaps you need to get out more.
What a crock of SH!T.
Many passengers continue to fly Qantas because:
A/ their company has a corporate deal with them
B/ They are allowed to fly business class between SYD and CBR, or some other silly short sector, which their company will pay for.
C/ they are locked into the frequent flyer program, and have too many points to lose if they get out, and not enough for a free sandwich,
D/ the perceived MAINTENANCE standards are higher.
E/ QF has a monopoly on some sector(maybe regional!?)
Many passengers continue to fly Qantas because:
A/ their company has a corporate deal with them
B/ They are allowed to fly business class between SYD and CBR, or some other silly short sector, which their company will pay for.
C/ they are locked into the frequent flyer program, and have too many points to lose if they get out, and not enough for a free sandwich,
D/ the perceived MAINTENANCE standards are higher.
E/ QF has a monopoly on some sector(maybe regional!?)
And as far as Jitcinnict having the SAME instructors? That might be about as far as it goes, fella. Are the SAME standards applied in the sim? Are the SAME standards applied in recruitment? Are the standards the SAME on the line? Maybe. Maybe not. But as a paying punter, I wouldn't like my pilots sitting up the front there wondering how in the hell they are going to pay their mortgage, let alone feed the kids. Darwinism, mate!
You might call it arrogance, my friend. I call it "telling it like it is". If you want political correctness, and to feel warm and fuzzy in your low paid LCC job, fine. But the fact are the facts. You get what you pay for in this beautiful world.
Feel free NOT to misquote me, too.
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YouTube - The Spirit of????
Ironic video for this thread.
when they recruit people fact;
they do;
1. maths/english shl test , personality assesment (shl)
2. SIM assesment in Auckland on a 737
3. and a medical and a interview
In summary a much of a muchness compared to the mainline process.
the training is exactly the same as the QF standards, due to the fact that QF flight ops oversee's the entire operation and does audits on it. JC will have good and not so good pilots in it like every other airline in the world!!
Ironic video for this thread.
when they recruit people fact;
they do;
1. maths/english shl test , personality assesment (shl)
2. SIM assesment in Auckland on a 737
3. and a medical and a interview
In summary a much of a muchness compared to the mainline process.
the training is exactly the same as the QF standards, due to the fact that QF flight ops oversee's the entire operation and does audits on it. JC will have good and not so good pilots in it like every other airline in the world!!
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BALANCE....
I am not after a p!ssing contest with you either, however I fail to see where I have misquoted you. The quoted paragraph is a direct cut and paste from yours.
Insofar as pax wanting to fly a certain airline due to the pilots' reputations... well, I would certainly HOPE that it is true, but have yet to hear ANY passenger ever refer to it. I do tend to "get out a bit", btw. I have had friends who are / were platinum frequent flyers with QF try to "avoid them like the plague, where I can". I am sure that it has NOTHING to do with the way that the pilots fly/act/behave. Moreso to do with the fact that they do NOT like the service they now get, and reckon that QF's OTP is pretty poor.
I HAVE however heard of passengers wanting to avoid an airline because the whole airline, pilots included, is considered unsafe. BUT, just because one does not choose to avoid and airline, doesn't mean that they are safer... they may just have a better PR department.
I have heard pilots say that they would never send their family on their OWN airline, unless they were the PIC!
I am not after a p!ssing contest with you either, however I fail to see where I have misquoted you. The quoted paragraph is a direct cut and paste from yours.
Insofar as pax wanting to fly a certain airline due to the pilots' reputations... well, I would certainly HOPE that it is true, but have yet to hear ANY passenger ever refer to it. I do tend to "get out a bit", btw. I have had friends who are / were platinum frequent flyers with QF try to "avoid them like the plague, where I can". I am sure that it has NOTHING to do with the way that the pilots fly/act/behave. Moreso to do with the fact that they do NOT like the service they now get, and reckon that QF's OTP is pretty poor.
I HAVE however heard of passengers wanting to avoid an airline because the whole airline, pilots included, is considered unsafe. BUT, just because one does not choose to avoid and airline, doesn't mean that they are safer... they may just have a better PR department.
I have heard pilots say that they would never send their family on their OWN airline, unless they were the PIC!
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I sense a little thread drift here, but to address your point Apache, I think you might just be arguing youself a little over onto my side of the fence.
What is left after cr@ppy service, poor OTP, poor maintenance? Pilots....
Cheers mate!
What is left after cr@ppy service, poor OTP, poor maintenance? Pilots....
Cheers mate!
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It would be worthwhile getting an opinion of the Jetconnect pilot standards from those Qantas Check Captains before stating the final product is equal, as I have heard a very different story directly from those Qantas checkies.
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Never have I read such a crock of u know what on PPrune as some of the arrogant/ignorant posters' on here have put forward.
I'm still laughing however at the QF pilots are gods gift etc type comments...
Yep those same QF pilots that I regularly saw get lost at JFK..or taxi the wrong way at BKK, or step all over everyone one else on frequency in the London TMA.
Every company has good and not so good drivers..QF and Jitconnict are NO different.
I'm still laughing however at the QF pilots are gods gift etc type comments...
Yep those same QF pilots that I regularly saw get lost at JFK..or taxi the wrong way at BKK, or step all over everyone one else on frequency in the London TMA.
Every company has good and not so good drivers..QF and Jitconnict are NO different.