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oh if DJC and his mafia cronies may also be coming ,then it would be good to bring along your Christmas 145/190 model for their historical authograph.
you could later sell it on ebay.....
you could later sell it on ebay.....
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I am not directly affected by SAW's falling but I have two friends who are.
Now that that is clear, as much as Tail Wheel is offering very accurate and most likely 100% correct advice, I would like to offer this little tit bit for what its worth based on TW's last post.
I believe even TW is dreaming.
In my opinion, unless there are some serious assetts to be sold like when AN went under, and there is a remote chance of getting the staff entitlements, then you are wasting time and money even chasing that.
The fact is that unless they have enough to cover the liquidators costs and it sounds like they do not, you will be only throwing good money after bad even paying the gateway toll or parking in town to attend the meeting.
If you think there is something to go after sure, but its not sounding good so far.
Save your money for posting job applications elsewhere.
I am sorry if this upsets some of you but I think Tail Wheel will probably back up what I have said. Of course I would hope there was plenty to spread around......
J
Now that that is clear, as much as Tail Wheel is offering very accurate and most likely 100% correct advice, I would like to offer this little tit bit for what its worth based on TW's last post.
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"...and get our .0002 cents in the dollar"
That may well be an optimistic assessment!
"...and get our .0002 cents in the dollar"
That may well be an optimistic assessment!
In my opinion, unless there are some serious assetts to be sold like when AN went under, and there is a remote chance of getting the staff entitlements, then you are wasting time and money even chasing that.
The fact is that unless they have enough to cover the liquidators costs and it sounds like they do not, you will be only throwing good money after bad even paying the gateway toll or parking in town to attend the meeting.
If you think there is something to go after sure, but its not sounding good so far.
Save your money for posting job applications elsewhere.
I am sorry if this upsets some of you but I think Tail Wheel will probably back up what I have said. Of course I would hope there was plenty to spread around......
J
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Jabawocky,
There is money out there. the Father in Law / ghost director has plenty, especially now Joint Logistics UAE is up and running with the Danish contract money that was original SAW's.
The thing is for most of the people affected it's no longer about the money, it's about principals and not letting these idiots do this to other fine people down the track.
Are you aware he never paid anyones salary sacrificed wages into their super accounts. That to me and i believe the law is theft and they should be made liable for breaching those laws!!
If we let them get away with what they have done then the aviation industry will be worse off and we will have more crooks and fly by night operators causing havoc and mayhem.
Regards
Mustapha
There is money out there. the Father in Law / ghost director has plenty, especially now Joint Logistics UAE is up and running with the Danish contract money that was original SAW's.
The thing is for most of the people affected it's no longer about the money, it's about principals and not letting these idiots do this to other fine people down the track.
Are you aware he never paid anyones salary sacrificed wages into their super accounts. That to me and i believe the law is theft and they should be made liable for breaching those laws!!
If we let them get away with what they have done then the aviation industry will be worse off and we will have more crooks and fly by night operators causing havoc and mayhem.
Regards
Mustapha
Jaba, you are probably right that we will see three eighths of five eighths of f...-all of our money. However, while we are between mailing out job applications and filling in dole forms, some of us may find it theraputic to embarrass, disgrace and generally interfere in any way we can with whatever schemes this lot are dreaming up. For the greater good of aviation, we never want to see these people pop up in the industry anywhere again. That goes for Dubai, Denmark, Kiribati or Katmandu. Although Aussies may not be the world's favourite breed when it comes to aviation or business in general, people like this give us a worse name than we really deserve.
Don't get mad, get even - and feel good fulfilling a civic service. Any loose change that comes our way will be a bonus.
Don't get mad, get even - and feel good fulfilling a civic service. Any loose change that comes our way will be a bonus.
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The thing is for most of the people affected it's no longer about the money, it's about principals and not letting these idiots do this to other fine people down the track.
some of us may find it theraputic to embarrass, disgrace and generally interfere in any way we can with whatever schemes this lot are dreaming up.
Very Noble words..........
lots of us are in the posession of very incriminating documents against those people,and trying to work together,
and thats what we are doing everyday to get the majority of the 150 plus
ex staff to start acting,
its not fun to post on these forums,we do have better things to do in live,
but if the few of us dont post,the threads will just die down.
most ex sky staff had very little clue what happened,they spent most
of their time watching you tube and fondling their blackberries and iphone,
when dirty things were happening ynder their noses.
or helping those same crooks how to wreck the whole business.
they never accumulated or copied any documents when things were happening.
some of us may find it theraputic to embarrass, disgrace and generally interfere in any way we can with whatever schemes this lot are dreaming up.
Very Noble words..........
lots of us are in the posession of very incriminating documents against those people,and trying to work together,
and thats what we are doing everyday to get the majority of the 150 plus
ex staff to start acting,
its not fun to post on these forums,we do have better things to do in live,
but if the few of us dont post,the threads will just die down.
most ex sky staff had very little clue what happened,they spent most
of their time watching you tube and fondling their blackberries and iphone,
when dirty things were happening ynder their noses.
or helping those same crooks how to wreck the whole business.
they never accumulated or copied any documents when things were happening.
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In my opinion, unless there are some serious assetts to be sold like when AN went under, and there is a remote chance of getting the staff entitlements, then you are wasting time and money even chasing that.
There is money out there. the Father in Law / ghost director has plenty, especially now Joint Logistics UAE is up and running with the Danish contract money that was original SAW's.
Says who? Ad*&ld didn't sign the DDF contract with KA or DJC last Friday. If what you are saying above is true, I would still have a job!
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Yes, we get it. Your brilliant, the rest of us were blind. If you have the smoking gun, then do something with it. When are they going to jail. Who is not listening to you. Who do I need to get in touch with to get someone to pay attention to you.
May be the Pprune forum isn't the best place to get the attention of the proper authorities.
Yes, we get it. Your brilliant, the rest of us were blind. If you have the smoking gun, then do something with it. When are they going to jail. Who is not listening to you. Who do I need to get in touch with to get someone to pay attention to you.
May be the Pprune forum isn't the best place to get the attention of the proper authorities.
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Fair enough guys, if you have the time the patience and can afford it, and you are sure there is money you can actually get, do it for the sport, especially if the super theft is true.
I just do not want to see anyone with false high hopes.
All the best with your quest!
J
I just do not want to see anyone with false high hopes.
All the best with your quest!
J
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most ex sky staff had very little clue what happened,they spent most
of their time watching you tube and fondling their blackberries and iphone,
when dirty things were happening ynder their noses.
or helping those same crooks how to wreck the whole business.
they never accumulated or copied any documents when things were happening.
of their time watching you tube and fondling their blackberries and iphone,
when dirty things were happening ynder their noses.
or helping those same crooks how to wreck the whole business.
they never accumulated or copied any documents when things were happening.
Your posts do nothing but blame other people. You seem to think that everyone up the top knew what was going on. But the truth is the only two (2), let me re-iterate that two (2), people that knew the truth about what was going on are the two (2) secure creditors!!! Everyone else was fed the typical used car salesman pitch of a brighter tomorrow which was never delivered and we have all ended up in pretty much the same boat.
Find out the complete facts first, then comment.
Now try and work with the others about getting our redundancies paid instead of worrying which golf club your going to use on your cane toad.
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SAW staying in business is out of the question!
Let me get this right, if SAW avoid liquidation by offering ridiculous amounts in the dollar then we won’t be able to claim through GEERS –is that correct?
That won’t suffice, especially when they’ve supposedly set up international operations with SAW cash assets by syphoning off what was owed to us. I’m one of the interstaters that worked for SAW and I won’t be able to attend the meeting – not because I don’t want to- because I can’t afford the flight up! I’m broke!
So for those that believed I was dreaming when I mentioned they moved a lot of money or still had money in their accounts up until last week – as Nelson would say, AHH HAY!!.
I think we should contact the media.
BTW, IamsoSmrt please check your private messages.
That won’t suffice, especially when they’ve supposedly set up international operations with SAW cash assets by syphoning off what was owed to us. I’m one of the interstaters that worked for SAW and I won’t be able to attend the meeting – not because I don’t want to- because I can’t afford the flight up! I’m broke!
So for those that believed I was dreaming when I mentioned they moved a lot of money or still had money in their accounts up until last week – as Nelson would say, AHH HAY!!.
I think we should contact the media.
BTW, IamsoSmrt please check your private messages.
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Ladies and Gents get on to E-Jets - Powered by vBulletin there is a forum for SAW there with lots of contact information for those that are ready to fight.
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LionAir
I know this is off the topic but what did ever happen to the Lion Air deal. It was announced to us, then all over the media, told that this would secure SAWs future, hype lasted for 2 weeks and then pretty much died a quick death with no one really asking any questions as to its demise.
Can anyone enlighten me? I hope thier not on the creditors list!
Can anyone enlighten me? I hope thier not on the creditors list!
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Dropping like flies?
- Macair
- SAW
Hardly count it as dropping as flies, it was mooted for ages of both of those were heading... Damn journo's never liked them
- Macair
- SAW
Hardly count it as dropping as flies, it was mooted for ages of both of those were heading... Damn journo's never liked them
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LI*N A*R
they needed finance to buy 150 plus NG 900ers,and indo was facing
embargoes due to bad safety record.
so R*sdi Kir*n* met the lastest hero in the aviation oecd world,DJ,
and made him make some press reports like on ati to create confidence,in the market and thus all the world fananciers flocked to give LA cash to buy the planes,
as well as ken also got involved but no ides how much through shelf
companies.
what did DJ get to make a star like press photoshoot,about half a mill.
SI* through director Jack came to meet sky to also give him support for an alliance for an MRO,which would have eventually become more complex
and support them to get access to the lucrative lax route.
and there was more,people should remember those emails about important personalities coming to visit the sky offices,..that was those PR deals DJ
did very well as a star.
remember viva......jet......all DJ stunts.......to test the market
half a mill was also sent to Tim*R business JV buddy to jump start that operation,it must be recuperated,
does anyone did a copy of that draft.
so Lio A aus could still be alive through ken owning a huge chunk of shares,
its just that they dont have an aoc or local routes yet.
and who made a copy of that famous fax from the lessors,i bet no one.
anyone have any info on that 340 leasing.............to fly brisbane NY...
they needed finance to buy 150 plus NG 900ers,and indo was facing
embargoes due to bad safety record.
so R*sdi Kir*n* met the lastest hero in the aviation oecd world,DJ,
and made him make some press reports like on ati to create confidence,in the market and thus all the world fananciers flocked to give LA cash to buy the planes,
as well as ken also got involved but no ides how much through shelf
companies.
what did DJ get to make a star like press photoshoot,about half a mill.
SI* through director Jack came to meet sky to also give him support for an alliance for an MRO,which would have eventually become more complex
and support them to get access to the lucrative lax route.
and there was more,people should remember those emails about important personalities coming to visit the sky offices,..that was those PR deals DJ
did very well as a star.
remember viva......jet......all DJ stunts.......to test the market
half a mill was also sent to Tim*R business JV buddy to jump start that operation,it must be recuperated,
does anyone did a copy of that draft.
so Lio A aus could still be alive through ken owning a huge chunk of shares,
its just that they dont have an aoc or local routes yet.
and who made a copy of that famous fax from the lessors,i bet no one.
anyone have any info on that 340 leasing.............to fly brisbane NY...
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Dropping like flies?
- Macair
- SAW
Hardly count it as dropping as flies, it was mooted for ages of both of those were heading... Damn journo's never liked them
I dont think saw was mooted since ages for dropping,
there was a plan,albeit ill planned,
dj was committed,he put his familly money,
he trained lots of people for his plan to succeed,
he wanted to succeed,as a young entrepreneur,
he trusted too much those in positions,
but he relied too much on his key blinded managers to advise him,
in the end they all let him to the creek,
specially cane toad,brown snake and Imam,
there was enough work,
there was good contracts,
there was enough trained staff,
there was adequate equipment,
problem was
bad marketing on routes,
bad on time performance,
bad a/c maintenance,
bad engineering management,
too many aogs,
too much broken a/cs,
bad documents and control,
bad air safety management,
bad staff recruitment,
over staffed,
over office spaced,
too many gadgets,
too much ego,
too much arrogance,
wrong fleet type choice,
unfortunately things went sour with the global crisis,
since the last months of 2008,
cio and lawyer left in fear,
bills started not being paid,
so as any businessman,he did what you do in panic,
stuff everyone,and get out of it quickly after cleaning the cupboard,
deceit all the staff,even his own managers,
remember he also is a human being,
and in these circumstances,his animalistic qualities start showing up,
those who know him for long know he was never the sk*se type.
lucky also he did not do a Sk*se to Tim*r.
remember if there was no global crisis,we could all have been busy working
and for some rorting the system,
some in Perth,some in Darwin.. Cairns...etc...
counting per diems,watching you tube,surfing the iphones,downloading songs and videos,looking at spreadsheets and RAL all day.
some sitting in front of twin screens making a facade of looking busy.
and just look at the minutes of the Tim*r *ir planning.
but now the reality for most mums and dads is to recover those legal due entitlements from him and his shadow companies.
I am not a fan of DJ but we must also put blame to the first line managers
who did all the sour cooking.
And bring us to this situation today.
In fact they are also now leaning on our shoulders and crying together.
- Macair
- SAW
Hardly count it as dropping as flies, it was mooted for ages of both of those were heading... Damn journo's never liked them
I dont think saw was mooted since ages for dropping,
there was a plan,albeit ill planned,
dj was committed,he put his familly money,
he trained lots of people for his plan to succeed,
he wanted to succeed,as a young entrepreneur,
he trusted too much those in positions,
but he relied too much on his key blinded managers to advise him,
in the end they all let him to the creek,
specially cane toad,brown snake and Imam,
there was enough work,
there was good contracts,
there was enough trained staff,
there was adequate equipment,
problem was
bad marketing on routes,
bad on time performance,
bad a/c maintenance,
bad engineering management,
too many aogs,
too much broken a/cs,
bad documents and control,
bad air safety management,
bad staff recruitment,
over staffed,
over office spaced,
too many gadgets,
too much ego,
too much arrogance,
wrong fleet type choice,
unfortunately things went sour with the global crisis,
since the last months of 2008,
cio and lawyer left in fear,
bills started not being paid,
so as any businessman,he did what you do in panic,
stuff everyone,and get out of it quickly after cleaning the cupboard,
deceit all the staff,even his own managers,
remember he also is a human being,
and in these circumstances,his animalistic qualities start showing up,
those who know him for long know he was never the sk*se type.
lucky also he did not do a Sk*se to Tim*r.
remember if there was no global crisis,we could all have been busy working
and for some rorting the system,
some in Perth,some in Darwin.. Cairns...etc...
counting per diems,watching you tube,surfing the iphones,downloading songs and videos,looking at spreadsheets and RAL all day.
some sitting in front of twin screens making a facade of looking busy.
and just look at the minutes of the Tim*r *ir planning.
but now the reality for most mums and dads is to recover those legal due entitlements from him and his shadow companies.
I am not a fan of DJ but we must also put blame to the first line managers
who did all the sour cooking.
And bring us to this situation today.
In fact they are also now leaning on our shoulders and crying together.