SKYAIRWORLD: Management to take "Leave?
whoz the adminstrator? they don't come cheap. they look into the assets [SAW, do they have any??] check out the readies and depart when it's gone - poor old creditors again..
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Blame everyone but yourself
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Pot calling the kettle black!!! So lets come up with a nickname for you, since you have nothing better to do but critisize everyone else but yourself.
So how about smurf, or Napoleon. Fitting???? Yes
You seem to forget that some people under your guidance, stuffed up a few times and cost the company quite a bit of money when you were "leading". Lets not forget your mahatma mate who decided to put oil in the engines when he damn well knew he was not certified to do it. Or the time he couldnt even open the 190 door when he is supposed to be a LAME. Or the time he dropped FOD all over the airport in the vehicle he was driving.
Keep critisizing everyone else "mate", and your mature approach at giving everyone else nicknames just shows that engineering shouldnt have been lead by people like you.
Go back to HP towing aircraft, as you have no idea about what really went on.
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Pot calling the kettle black!!! So lets come up with a nickname for you, since you have nothing better to do but critisize everyone else but yourself.
So how about smurf, or Napoleon. Fitting???? Yes
You seem to forget that some people under your guidance, stuffed up a few times and cost the company quite a bit of money when you were "leading". Lets not forget your mahatma mate who decided to put oil in the engines when he damn well knew he was not certified to do it. Or the time he couldnt even open the 190 door when he is supposed to be a LAME. Or the time he dropped FOD all over the airport in the vehicle he was driving.
Keep critisizing everyone else "mate", and your mature approach at giving everyone else nicknames just shows that engineering shouldnt have been lead by people like you.
Go back to HP towing aircraft, as you have no idea about what really went on.
Sabotage
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PLS read these before you post further,from Tail wheel
Iamsosmrt. You are new here. We're not having a tit-for-tat on PPRuNe over maintenance not carried out. If the aircraft was not air worthy and the part or tool was not available, engineers don't sign it out, pilots don't fly it.
Accept that and move on. End of story
So pls accept and move on
your ever well wisher
MAHATMA GANDHI
PLS read these before you post further,from Tail wheel
Iamsosmrt. You are new here. We're not having a tit-for-tat on PPRuNe over maintenance not carried out. If the aircraft was not air worthy and the part or tool was not available, engineers don't sign it out, pilots don't fly it.
Accept that and move on. End of story
So pls accept and move on
your ever well wisher
MAHATMA GANDHI
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You can make me read whatever you want, but it doesnt change the fact that engineering was our achilles heal. Yes, there were some good engineers, but most of them couldnt get off thier lazy overpaid arses and help get the company through.
I will tell you now, that SAW had some bloody good pilots whom put thier lives in your hands everytime they flew. I for one dreaded everytime I flew that aircraft just for the sheer fact that you all left everything to the engineers on the next shift because you couldnt be bothered doing it yourself, only to give us another delay and eventually lose a contract or two.
You have nicknamed and critisized some good people in the company who honestly worked hard and tried to help. You just cant get past your own little world and stop blaming others.
Mind you, I would feel pretty depressed working with the ex AirNorth collegue everyday too. Bundle of fun he was!
So if you can permit me in saying, why dont you join the AERuNe and bother them there. Sorry that stands for Amateur Engineer Rumour Network if you didnt know.
And please tell your Balti mate thanks for nothing. Im sure everyone of my now ex collegues will agree with me on that one.
You can make me read whatever you want, but it doesnt change the fact that engineering was our achilles heal. Yes, there were some good engineers, but most of them couldnt get off thier lazy overpaid arses and help get the company through.
I will tell you now, that SAW had some bloody good pilots whom put thier lives in your hands everytime they flew. I for one dreaded everytime I flew that aircraft just for the sheer fact that you all left everything to the engineers on the next shift because you couldnt be bothered doing it yourself, only to give us another delay and eventually lose a contract or two.
You have nicknamed and critisized some good people in the company who honestly worked hard and tried to help. You just cant get past your own little world and stop blaming others.
Mind you, I would feel pretty depressed working with the ex AirNorth collegue everyday too. Bundle of fun he was!
So if you can permit me in saying, why dont you join the AERuNe and bother them there. Sorry that stands for Amateur Engineer Rumour Network if you didnt know.
And please tell your Balti mate thanks for nothing. Im sure everyone of my now ex collegues will agree with me on that one.
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How can we make a claim through GEERS when SAW is in Voluntary Administration, which basically provides SAW with a viable alternative to winding up and restructuring its financial affairs? This doesn’t constitute liquidation. Furthermore, a report from an insider has told me that there is still several million dollars in the SAW accounts. If funds for entitlements are available then these must be exhausted before GEERS will even consider our claims.
Therefore, the following email is CRAP!
“Following on from my previous advice, I can advise that SkyAirWorld has today appointed a Voluntary Administrator to the company.While further information will be passed onto you shortly, I can advise you that in relation to your outstanding salary and termination payments you should make a claim through GEERS.”
SAW wants to have its cake and eat it –unfortunately SAW will have to relinquish funds available to its creditors within guidance of the Corporation Act of 2001. Failure to so, is a breach, and punishable by imprisonment. It’s not about ethics or morals it’s about L-A-W!!
SAW are so predictable it’s a joke! The days of the 90’s are over –thinking they can start up a different shelf company and transfer funds –good luck! As for the “white knight on the horizon”, tell somebody who cares. It would be the same usual suspects operating under the same agenda. Broke or Schott down in DJC, whoops 18 months.
This is what should happen;
BTW, RNP10, spot on brother! Two thumbs up!
Therefore, the following email is CRAP!
“Following on from my previous advice, I can advise that SkyAirWorld has today appointed a Voluntary Administrator to the company.While further information will be passed onto you shortly, I can advise you that in relation to your outstanding salary and termination payments you should make a claim through GEERS.”
SAW wants to have its cake and eat it –unfortunately SAW will have to relinquish funds available to its creditors within guidance of the Corporation Act of 2001. Failure to so, is a breach, and punishable by imprisonment. It’s not about ethics or morals it’s about L-A-W!!
SAW are so predictable it’s a joke! The days of the 90’s are over –thinking they can start up a different shelf company and transfer funds –good luck! As for the “white knight on the horizon”, tell somebody who cares. It would be the same usual suspects operating under the same agenda. Broke or Schott down in DJC, whoops 18 months.
This is what should happen;
- SAW should pay out all creditors with what ever funds are remaining including employee entitlements.
- SAW should wind up, this would give former employees the opportunity to lodge claim forms with GEERS. “I would rather be paid by GEERS then 10 cents in dollar from SAW”. Can anyone shed light on this? Meaning, if SAW only paid us 10 cents in dollar would GEERS meet us on the difference to a maximum of $30,000 for a redundancy pay out??
- Get on with our lives!!
BTW, RNP10, spot on brother! Two thumbs up!
Barba is right on some things. Don't know about the millions in th bank. Anyway that belongs to the creditors [including staff]...anyone know who is the administrator? if it is a tier one mob then the funds start disappearing at $450.00 per HOUR....
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"...the funds start disappearing at $450.00 per HOUR"
OK. I understand staff are hurt, with some justification. But would it not be better to put your differences aside and work together to represent your collective, common interests? There will be a Creditors Meeting very soon and it would be in the best interests of the staff to have a strong, combined voice. Remember, Creditors Meeting decisions must be carried by a majority by value and majority by number. Collectively, you could have a real voice.
I'd also be looking very closely at the SAW associated companies that are not in external administration.....
I assume GEERS works but I'm yet to hear of anyone who has received a payment. I can't even find out how much the Government raised or what they did with the "Ansett Ticket Tax", as it certainly did not appear to go to Ansett staff.
Talk of "White Knights" - for anyone to obtain the AOC they must acquire the operating company, which involves assuming the companies liabilities or reaching a Deed of Arrangement with the creditors. To my knowledge it has never happened as the potential cost significantly exceeds the AOC value.
The Ansett AOC was for sale under a Deed of Arrangement that would have seen the liabilities moved to a shelf company. The AOC did not sell and was eventually canceled. Why would anyone want SAW's AOC, which is obviously a license to lose money?
Time to work together perhaps?
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It's pretty obvious that we couldn't work together when we were coworkers. It sure as hell is not going to happen now. From top to bottom everyone is out to cover thier own ass.
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United you stand - divided you fall!
I doubt staff will have a majority by value but could have a very significant collective voice at a Creditor's Meeting.
And your time could be better occupied by looking at the associated companies which are not in External Administration.......
I doubt staff will have a majority by value but could have a very significant collective voice at a Creditor's Meeting.
And your time could be better occupied by looking at the associated companies which are not in External Administration.......
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Of course people are going to look after thier own ass. Its not you who is going to pay my mortgage or my bills, and I wouldnt expect you to. I have to do whatever I can to try and get some form of redundancy payment until I get my next job, wherever that may be.
There are two people that need to be held accountable, DJC and PS, who made stupid idiotic business decisions that got us where we are now.
Yes I am bitter and angry, because I upheaved my whole life to join SAW and believed the verbal crap that came out of DJCs mouth. What a lesson we all learnt.
I sincerly wish my ex collegues (especially the ones who worked hard) all the best for the future. Its tough out there at the moment.
There are two people that need to be held accountable, DJC and PS, who made stupid idiotic business decisions that got us where we are now.
Yes I am bitter and angry, because I upheaved my whole life to join SAW and believed the verbal crap that came out of DJCs mouth. What a lesson we all learnt.
I sincerly wish my ex collegues (especially the ones who worked hard) all the best for the future. Its tough out there at the moment.
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VB has/ will have it.
The creditors are owed much more than you could think of.... I herd some figures, but being I dont know the truth behind those numbers... I'd rather not put them up.
Anyone interested in going halvsies in a lawyer, see if we can dig up some scratch?
Former SAW People- http://www.02.01.snc1.facebook.com/g...2738578&ref=mf
(someone said they couldnt find the page)
The creditors are owed much more than you could think of.... I herd some figures, but being I dont know the truth behind those numbers... I'd rather not put them up.
Anyone interested in going halvsies in a lawyer
, see if we can dig up some scratch? Former SAW People- http://www.02.01.snc1.facebook.com/g...2738578&ref=mf
(someone said they couldnt find the page)
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The Administrator is obliged to provide a report on the company and what debts he is aware of, at the first Meeting of Creditors, which must be held at the earliest opportunity.
The fact the Administrator did not continue to operate the Company (at his risk and liability), indicates the company may not be viable and/or may be insolvent.
A lawyer won't be able to help at this stage.
One last time..........
The fact the Administrator did not continue to operate the Company (at his risk and liability), indicates the company may not be viable and/or may be insolvent.
A lawyer won't be able to help at this stage.
One last time..........
- A staff collective approach at the Creditors Meeting; and
- The relationship between the Company in Administration and possibly related companies not in Administration and particularly, any inter-company debts.
For f...'s sake, stop this petty sniping and personal attacks and listen to Tailwheel. His advice and take on this is spot-on. It is up to US to get ourselves to that first creditors' meeting.
GEERS won't work until it folds and even then our recompense will be limited. That fool HR manager Beaver got it totally wrong when he told us we can get the taxpayers to pay our missing wages while the company still exists. And why should the taxpayer bail them/us out? All Beaver has done so far is to get hopes up with varying promises of money to come, but of course it never does. Like Djc's threat that if we made a noise publicly we would see nothing. It's all about delaying action so that they can move money offshore or otherwise conceal it.
Unfortunately it is probably already too late, but no reason to roll over and give up trying. Whatever it takes, be at the creditors' meeting. The first person to discover when and where it is should post it here, because it is unlikely that the Administrator will phone us or mail us with the detail. The Administrator is not interested in our welfare, capiche?
GEERS won't work until it folds and even then our recompense will be limited. That fool HR manager Beaver got it totally wrong when he told us we can get the taxpayers to pay our missing wages while the company still exists. And why should the taxpayer bail them/us out? All Beaver has done so far is to get hopes up with varying promises of money to come, but of course it never does. Like Djc's threat that if we made a noise publicly we would see nothing. It's all about delaying action so that they can move money offshore or otherwise conceal it.
Unfortunately it is probably already too late, but no reason to roll over and give up trying. Whatever it takes, be at the creditors' meeting. The first person to discover when and where it is should post it here, because it is unlikely that the Administrator will phone us or mail us with the detail. The Administrator is not interested in our welfare, capiche?
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Do you honestly think that would work having a number of the staff there expressing their shared views?
If so, what kind of numbers are we looking at?
I'm sure if I rocked up alone, or with one other person, we would likely to be laughed at.
If so, what kind of numbers are we looking at?
I'm sure if I rocked up alone, or with one other person, we would likely to be laughed at.
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As you mentioned Mach, HR was just doing what DC had told hr to do apparantly, basically it was just to keep ex-workers busy and content for the time, while they had time to get stories straight, however beaver knew damn well that that is all it was.
SAP, I will be there, so that's two. Another 100 ex-employees will do it nicely. They'd better book the Brisbane entertainment centre to fit us all in!