Merged: Big changes for Qantas cadets
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Merged: Big changes for Qantas cadets
Website updated today. All future cadets will have to do an abbreviated direct entry screening and assessment POST industry placement prior to them being accepted as a training SO (see here).
In addition, all industry placement whilst still compulsory, is now going to be required to be organised by the cadet - not Qantas (see here). In other words, go out and find a job after your training like everyone else! Very different to the current state of affairs. Just wondering if this is the work of the first non-cadet CP in a while?
In addition, all industry placement whilst still compulsory, is now going to be required to be organised by the cadet - not Qantas (see here). In other words, go out and find a job after your training like everyone else! Very different to the current state of affairs. Just wondering if this is the work of the first non-cadet CP in a while?
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Wow - big changes indeed!
It's hardly a cadet scheme any more if you have to find your own industry placement, get an endorsement, find meaningful work for a few years and then line up for testing with the direct entry applicants at the end of it!
It's hardly a cadet scheme any more if you have to find your own industry placement, get an endorsement, find meaningful work for a few years and then line up for testing with the direct entry applicants at the end of it!
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Sounds like a good thing. Hopefully applications for the $100K 'QF CPL' will drop right off and they scrap the whole thing. Hey presto......all you have left is direct entry.
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Oh dear, does that mean that real life challenges are going to have to be faced. http://www.pprune.org/forums/images/...eusa_clap.gifI look forward to hearing the disaffected tales now.
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I've never seen the need for a cadet program anyway when there are always enough DE applicants who have experience to fill all available slots. Is it just a money making thing for Qf or do they honestly believe there's more value in shaping cadets from scratch? Maybe there aren't enough DE applicants in their opinion who have the right aptitude? Genuine question.
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Does this mean that the QF cadets after doing the course and having gone and done some time in "ga" then have to front up and do the DE process with the same chances of being ruled out as the DE guys?
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Yes valid comments indeed, money making has creeped into the Cadet scheme as well, no real surprise actually. It is the cancer of 20's something accountants, beancounters and business graduates screwing everything for a profit not to mention the cringing "Most Experienced Airline" slogan thought up by a few new business graduate morons brought up in the age of an economic boom...
By the way its more than 100k now add another couple dozen % to that figure for the Cadet Scheme. I would rather fork out around 50k and leave the other 70k or so live on for.... well a decade?, while getting good experience up around the traps....
Well probably a decade is a bit extreme but you know what I mean!
By the way its more than 100k now add another couple dozen % to that figure for the Cadet Scheme. I would rather fork out around 50k and leave the other 70k or so live on for.... well a decade?, while getting good experience up around the traps....
Well probably a decade is a bit extreme but you know what I mean!
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The Cadet scheme is a complete waste of time, the facts are if people leaving school see aviation as a career (read reward for investment) they will put all their energy into it, via training and gaining experience. Conditions as always will dictate the numbers going through to their ultimate choices.
The industry has to realise that people see the various areas of aviation as career choices, regional, domestic and international, and therefore should understand that they have to compete to get capable pilots to join their ranks.
Currently regional management for instance sees no need to try and retain staff as they have some misguided notional idea that everyone employed in the regional airlines will leave if offered a jet job, some of course will but some if offered good wages and conditions would love to stay and make a career of a regional airline. The same applies to Qantas for instance, some pilots detest the idea of long haul but have to become a long haul second officer before becoming a domestic pilot their ultimate choice, some of course want to do nothing but long haul.
I personally hope this is the end of the cadet scheme, it is seen, rightly or wrongly, as a quick track into Qantas for the wealthy or related.
I have nothing against current cadets.
The industry has to realise that people see the various areas of aviation as career choices, regional, domestic and international, and therefore should understand that they have to compete to get capable pilots to join their ranks.
Currently regional management for instance sees no need to try and retain staff as they have some misguided notional idea that everyone employed in the regional airlines will leave if offered a jet job, some of course will but some if offered good wages and conditions would love to stay and make a career of a regional airline. The same applies to Qantas for instance, some pilots detest the idea of long haul but have to become a long haul second officer before becoming a domestic pilot their ultimate choice, some of course want to do nothing but long haul.
I personally hope this is the end of the cadet scheme, it is seen, rightly or wrongly, as a quick track into Qantas for the wealthy or related.
I have nothing against current cadets.
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Costing for the Associate Degree Cadetship.
Total tuition fees - $116,816
Expected Additional Costs - $13,184
Total Upfront Cost - $130,000
CIPP Cost - $10,000
Total Cost Overall - $140,000
If you decide to use FEE-HELP which gives you a low interest loan for $83,313 you are charged an additional fee of $16,662.60 meaning the total upfront costing would be $63,349.60 but the overall package cost is now $146,662.60 and repaying the $83,313 at a later date.
Add to the fact you need to pay an extra $10,000 for the CIPP, the overall Cadetship cost would be $156,662.60 if you decided to use FEE-HELP. If you needed additional hours to get to standard probably more.
When you need to do a gas turbine rating itemized at around $15,000-$16,000 no wonder it is a very expensive course.
Hasselhof it would be very unfair to cancel the current course considering applicants have paid upwards of $1200-$1500 during the selection process. However what decision to be made by Qantas to continue on or not in May is anyone's guess. You say that Qantas should start up its own flying school, just think how Oxford Aviation Academy (GFS) must feel with the course cancelled with the Cadets set to throw that type of money around...
Total tuition fees - $116,816
Expected Additional Costs - $13,184
Total Upfront Cost - $130,000
CIPP Cost - $10,000
Total Cost Overall - $140,000
If you decide to use FEE-HELP which gives you a low interest loan for $83,313 you are charged an additional fee of $16,662.60 meaning the total upfront costing would be $63,349.60 but the overall package cost is now $146,662.60 and repaying the $83,313 at a later date.
Add to the fact you need to pay an extra $10,000 for the CIPP, the overall Cadetship cost would be $156,662.60 if you decided to use FEE-HELP. If you needed additional hours to get to standard probably more.
When you need to do a gas turbine rating itemized at around $15,000-$16,000 no wonder it is a very expensive course.
Hasselhof it would be very unfair to cancel the current course considering applicants have paid upwards of $1200-$1500 during the selection process. However what decision to be made by Qantas to continue on or not in May is anyone's guess. You say that Qantas should start up its own flying school, just think how Oxford Aviation Academy (GFS) must feel with the course cancelled with the Cadets set to throw that type of money around...
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my heart bleeds....
get a real job you snotty nose little punks like the rest of us instead of getting a golden goose on a silver platter soon after leaving high school!!
good on the new cp, he must understand the real value of learning the ropes through ga......
get a real job you snotty nose little punks like the rest of us instead of getting a golden goose on a silver platter soon after leaving high school!!
good on the new cp, he must understand the real value of learning the ropes through ga......
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Newsensation your comments about quicktrack into QF for wealthy or related and the Muff hunters bit about SNLP,S ,would have to be some of the most ignorant and nastiest stuff I have seen on prune! Regardless of what the background is behind this decision there will always be options for entry into our profession whether military or civil. And no I was not a cadet and yes I work with cadets.Every one still has to make the grade.GG.
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$140K and find your own job? Why would anyone? Perhaps that's what they're counting on... Instead of dismantling the cadet scheme in a slowdown, just make it unattractive until things pick up again.
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Perhaps this is QF's way of killing off the scheme. No sane person would go for it now and so the applications and positions will eventually dry up. Wind the scheme up due to lack of interest.
Of course this will work until a situation such as existed two years ago when GA had been run dry of applicants with what QF deemed to be what they were looking for. Then we'll see a cadet scheme started up again. Will anyone be prepared to take the leap then though?!?!
Personally I think this action by QF is a bit short sighted. Time will tell whether I'm right.
As for Muff, et al. It's all been done before....and not too recently on another thread.
Of course this will work until a situation such as existed two years ago when GA had been run dry of applicants with what QF deemed to be what they were looking for. Then we'll see a cadet scheme started up again. Will anyone be prepared to take the leap then though?!?!
Personally I think this action by QF is a bit short sighted. Time will tell whether I'm right.
As for Muff, et al. It's all been done before....and not too recently on another thread.