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There is a problem with the Qantas System when a second officer gets paid more than a DASH 8 Captain.....
Oh really? Second Officers deserve every cent they earn. The jet can't go without them and their pay is well justified.
But what I really want to know is whether you are a Second Officer or a Dash 8 Captain?
Newsy...
Shouldn't that be "There is a problem with the Qantas System when a DASH 8 Captain gets paid less than a second officer."?
It's easy to sound jealous with ill-considered outbursts. Try not to blame the S/Os; their pay is merely a percentage of the Captain's pay on the aircraft type they fly. Most S/Os (yes, even the ex-Dash-8-captain ones) would be direct F/Os in many reputable companies. Many S/Os have thousands of hours in command when they join QF, electing to accept the discounted conditions of S/O pay, slow promotion, and jetlag for the 'stay in Oz' employment opportunity.
Lighten up and direct your ire in the right direction!
It's easy to sound jealous with ill-considered outbursts. Try not to blame the S/Os; their pay is merely a percentage of the Captain's pay on the aircraft type they fly. Most S/Os (yes, even the ex-Dash-8-captain ones) would be direct F/Os in many reputable companies. Many S/Os have thousands of hours in command when they join QF, electing to accept the discounted conditions of S/O pay, slow promotion, and jetlag for the 'stay in Oz' employment opportunity.
Lighten up and direct your ire in the right direction!
Last edited by Jetsbest; 3rd Nov 2008 at 10:02.
Hey!...that could be considered a good point!...
but it isn't!
ANY Commander and ANY F/o is worth more than ANY S/o who just sits on a jump seat!!
QED!
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but it isn't!
ANY Commander and ANY F/o is worth more than ANY S/o who just sits on a jump seat!!
QED!
Today 19:44
Jet best has summed it succinctly. The fact that Dash crew are not fed into the big brother is the reason the inconsistencies exist.
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S/O Pay and QF EBA
Bit of a side track but if the dash * skipper wants better pay then he could be a S/O in QF provided he jumps through the hoops like everyone else. A persons worth to a company is dependent on a number of factors and an S/O, whilst not ultimately having the same responsibility as captain on any type his responsibility is still substatial.
I dont hear any arguments that A single pilot IFR charter pilot is earning less than a dash 8 F/O. While most would agree that he ultimately has more responsibility than a Dash 8 F/O he is paid less in most cases.
Another example of this would be an accountant for Ernst and Young. I'm sure a lower ranking employee would be earning more than a top ranked one in a mid sized company.
Everyone, at the end of the day is out to get the best they can for their given situation in a competitive world, weather this is trough remuneration lifestyle or whatever else is valuable to to each person or a group of people and this is why an eba negotiation will always be a highly emotive issue
I dont hear any arguments that A single pilot IFR charter pilot is earning less than a dash 8 F/O. While most would agree that he ultimately has more responsibility than a Dash 8 F/O he is paid less in most cases.
Another example of this would be an accountant for Ernst and Young. I'm sure a lower ranking employee would be earning more than a top ranked one in a mid sized company.
Everyone, at the end of the day is out to get the best they can for their given situation in a competitive world, weather this is trough remuneration lifestyle or whatever else is valuable to to each person or a group of people and this is why an eba negotiation will always be a highly emotive issue
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I can't think of anything worse, teresa green, than taking up a job in the management office.
It is abundantly clear that line guys going to the office undergo a major operation which removes both the hippocampus and amygdala, as well as a substantial proportion of the pre-frontal cortex: all the major areas of the brain involved in forming long and short term memories.
There must surely be risks of post-operative complications in that?
It is abundantly clear that line guys going to the office undergo a major operation which removes both the hippocampus and amygdala, as well as a substantial proportion of the pre-frontal cortex: all the major areas of the brain involved in forming long and short term memories.
There must surely be risks of post-operative complications in that?
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ANY Commander and ANY F/o is worth more than ANY S/o who just sits on a jump seat!!
QED!
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I am worth more than you cos i work harder than you.
What a croc. Your salary has nothing to do with trying to make life fair.The only time the argument has even the smallest amount of credibility is when it is made comparing the salary of a 767 FO and a 744 SO. This is because they are both covered by the same contract albeit working on completely different operations.
Lifes not fair so negotiate the best contract you can. If you can get 2 million with a 2 million performance bonus for being a Dash Capt then go get it.
You won't hear me complaining that you are overpaid. But i'd certainly have my application in the be a Dash Capt.Ps. being an SO sucks. thats why so many are willing to do themselves out of cash and go fly the maggot.
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You want to believe it Dutch Roll, more time on the golf course, at the girlfriends, sleep in your own bed, and picking up more money than you. All those extra little attractions, to a bloke who is a little weary, why would you knock it back. There used to be a line of them waiting at TN and QF.
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yeah, but Obie, look what happened to your motley mob. All jokes aside the more imput from Pilots and Engineers (as is used to be) into the running of a company, and less from bean counters, even if means some techies, and engineers become part time paper shufflers, providing they are there for the right reasons, not just a bludge, could serve the airlines well, (they couldn't do any worse then trying to flog the whole box and dice to Allco).
