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As these are anonymous forums the origins of the contributions may be opposite to what may be apparent. In fact the press may use it, or the unscrupulous, or sciolists*, to elicit certain reactions.
*"sciolist"... Noun, archaic. "a person who pretends to be knowledgeable and well informed".
*"sciolist"... Noun, archaic. "a person who pretends to be knowledgeable and well informed".
Hey 'Peuce'.......
"if I was in the Union negotiating team, I would argue for the inclusion of a clause in the agreement" .......which says that......
'The provisions of this EBA shall remain in place until the provisions of the next EBA are agreed to by all parties'.......
Has saved an awful lot of grief for us 'smellies'.............it worked a treat!!!
= WE WON!
But, I'm quite sure you know all about that......maaate...
Think about it.....please.....
"if I was in the Union negotiating team, I would argue for the inclusion of a clause in the agreement" .......which says that......
'The provisions of this EBA shall remain in place until the provisions of the next EBA are agreed to by all parties'.......
Has saved an awful lot of grief for us 'smellies'.............it worked a treat!!!
= WE WON!
But, I'm quite sure you know all about that......maaate...
Think about it.....please.....
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actually Plazbot, I'm pretty sure that at one stage AsA was trying to slip some clause in that said all the conditions expire with the nominal expiry date of the EBA. -
Another case of "trust us"
with their form - as if.
Another case of "trust us"
with their form - as if.
Yep! T'ain't '97 anymore....and this ain't Kansas anymore...wasn't that in the movie?
I may stand to be corrected, but even in 'those' days we had to be 'doubly sure' of the interpretation of some clauses, and I was under the distinct impression that CPSU had inserted this particular said clause, as the 'management' of the times was not exactly ....'up front',...shall we say??
However, if you have the same protection now, that's GREAT!!
And, not forgetting, 5 times we had to take 'them' to the IRC over disputed 'EBA issues' , and 5 times we won!
And all the while, no changes could be made which would have been detrimental to us,, simply because of that wunnerful l'il clause...
Cheers
But this ain't '97 anymore............. I just happen to think we were better organised and thought more about the long term issues then.....
I may stand to be corrected, but even in 'those' days we had to be 'doubly sure' of the interpretation of some clauses, and I was under the distinct impression that CPSU had inserted this particular said clause, as the 'management' of the times was not exactly ....'up front',...shall we say??
However, if you have the same protection now, that's GREAT!!
And, not forgetting, 5 times we had to take 'them' to the IRC over disputed 'EBA issues' , and 5 times we won!
And all the while, no changes could be made which would have been detrimental to us,, simply because of that wunnerful l'il clause...
Cheers
But this ain't '97 anymore............. I just happen to think we were better organised and thought more about the long term issues then.....
Last edited by Ex FSO GRIFFO; 1st Mar 2009 at 09:26.
I don't think we were better organised then ('97).
We didn't have WorkChoices to contend with either. Which has meant is entirely harder to organise without ending up getting fined, or dragged to the AIRC every 5 minutes.
We didn't have WorkChoices to contend with either. Which has meant is entirely harder to organise without ending up getting fined, or dragged to the AIRC every 5 minutes.
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ASA's Learning Academy
Can anyone enlighten me as the current hierachical structure at this institution??
Does one need an aviation background to manage the staff??
GR
Does one need an aviation background to manage the staff??
GR
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In the past; the majority of the ATC training college would be people with an ATC background.
These days they have determined that you don't actually need to know anything about the ATC world in order to be involved in the college - er - academy.
In other words - the less the people in the academy actually know about aviation the more academic the students become. In fact many things have become academic lately...
These days they have determined that you don't actually need to know anything about the ATC world in order to be involved in the college - er - academy.
In other words - the less the people in the academy actually know about aviation the more academic the students become. In fact many things have become academic lately...
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cozy deal done?
Dirt doing the rounds is that Civil Air and ASA have reached a deal and a travelling dog and pony show is moving around the country to sell it to members starting in YBCS on 16 March.
any gos?
any gos?
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Interesting story doing the rounds here in Mexico is that the Learning Academy has basically failed a CASA audit on a number of grounds (5, if any credance can be given to the source involved). Story also goes that the bank manager has denied anything wrong and full steam ahead.
Will be interesting to see if CASA has grown a set recently and backs up its threat to close the place down if the (denied) deficiencies are not corrected.
If this is not hyperbole (or complete bollocks), then this could be fun! There goes TFNs promised 100 new controllers this year.
Will be interesting to see if CASA has grown a set recently and backs up its threat to close the place down if the (denied) deficiencies are not corrected.
If this is not hyperbole (or complete bollocks), then this could be fun! There goes TFNs promised 100 new controllers this year.
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Robbovic:There goes TFNs promised 100 new controllers this year.
But I agree, it will certainly make it harder to solve our staffing problem. Which why I doubt CASA will do anything more about the defiencies than identify them.
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UVATC, that is a very nice distinction (the original meaning of nice) with regard to "training" and "providing". You may be potential CEO material, given the astuteness of your observation!
While I side with the sympathies expressed here, I hope that the rumour is not fact. If the recent rate of reduced services and TIBA are anything to go by, we don't need your training institution going wheels-up, regardless of the alleged "toxic relationship" between the line and management. It's just going to make your job harder if you don't get the required replacements coming on line.
While I side with the sympathies expressed here, I hope that the rumour is not fact. If the recent rate of reduced services and TIBA are anything to go by, we don't need your training institution going wheels-up, regardless of the alleged "toxic relationship" between the line and management. It's just going to make your job harder if you don't get the required replacements coming on line.
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Perhaps ASA should just follow it's own latest staffing trends and sub-contract it's piss poor 'Academy' out to DFS in Frankfurt...
Lot's of ICAO level 6 english speaking instructors there now - and some with particularly good aussie accents...
Lot's of ICAO level 6 english speaking instructors there now - and some with particularly good aussie accents...