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125.6; I wondered about your comments regarding the game show host. I could not figure it out, so I asked an ATC aquaintance as to who this bloke might be. It ties in with a RAPAC presentation I attended two years ago in Melbourne. All I can do is quote one of our most famous entertainers: "Why are people so unkind?"
Well guys and gals,
It is now Friday arvo, past 4pm, the 'favourite' time for 'management' to send emails telling all and sundry what 'they' are going to do next.......and...
All's quiet on the 'Eastern Front'...??
No commitments as yet??
Cheers
It is now Friday arvo, past 4pm, the 'favourite' time for 'management' to send emails telling all and sundry what 'they' are going to do next.......and...
All's quiet on the 'Eastern Front'...??
No commitments as yet??
Cheers
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so we wait some more.... afterall they have only had months and months of doing stuff all...
The admin staff are going to a ballot now as well I heard. At least I feel a bit of comfort that the d*%*heads in charge are crapping over all staff equally.
The admin staff are going to a ballot now as well I heard. At least I feel a bit of comfort that the d*%*heads in charge are crapping over all staff equally.
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Personally, I'm encouraged by the delay - the feedback I'm hearing suggests they are going through everything with a fine tooth comb - because as always with AsA - the devil is in the detail (eg. last EBA - "payrise not until first full pay period after nominal date" - usually carefully chosen to be 27 days after the date with no back pay)
And I'm consoled by the fact that if we don't like the offer when we see it, we are still able to start protected industrial action.
And I'm consoled by the fact that if we don't like the offer when we see it, we are still able to start protected industrial action.
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Going through an EBA with a fine toothed comb isn't going to achieve much. At the end of the day if we had decent managers and executive we wouldn't have as many problems. It doesn't matter how many pages of legalistic crap they put in to make things clearer - if employees are treated poorly there will always be disputes.
I don't think I care anymore - the fact that Greg isn't making public applologies for his previous statements in the media is enough to make me jump on the next job offer overseas. This place is crap and it is truly disgusting that airservices waits until now to pull their thumb out and start actually negotiating. They should all be sacked... but we all know that the ca team will probably end up being promoted for achieving a result "under extremely vexing circumstances"
Freak'n joke.
I don't think I care anymore - the fact that Greg isn't making public applologies for his previous statements in the media is enough to make me jump on the next job offer overseas. This place is crap and it is truly disgusting that airservices waits until now to pull their thumb out and start actually negotiating. They should all be sacked... but we all know that the ca team will probably end up being promoted for achieving a result "under extremely vexing circumstances"
Freak'n joke.
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How many CA negotiations have been and gone where the result has been 4% per annum and basically nothing else at all that hasn't eroded working conditions as part of the compromise - maybe the TAAATS transition would be the exception to the general rule...a couple of weeks extra leave.
What makes anyone think things will be so much better this time. I'll take a punt here and say there is zero chance of getting a significantly better offer than the above - from Airservices that is...
What makes anyone think things will be so much better this time. I'll take a punt here and say there is zero chance of getting a significantly better offer than the above - from Airservices that is...
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what makes you think in this time of EXTREME financial crisis that you need a pay rise anyway?
Your "normal' roster, without overtime, sets you up for around 33 hours per week on average.
With early marks - and don't dare tell me that you don't go home early when relived at a changeover - you work an average of 29 hours per week. With one day per week overtime, you're back up to 35 hours per week.
Your average salaries are over $100k - WAY above the average salary for blue collar workers - and that, after all, is all you are - BLUE COLLAR WORKERS - no degree, a 'mickey mouse' diploma issued by your own training college - and your average working week is still WAY below what normal Australians have to work to make ends meet.
Don't tell me that you have special skills and have 'thousand of live in your hands every day" - that's b.s. and you know it.
If you weren't able to do the job as a 'routine function' day to day, the aptitude tests, the personality tests, and the other assessment processes would have weeded you out way before you even sat in front of a console [though the BOS review probably proves that some misfits fooled the system!].
SOOOO much talk about pulling the plug and leaving the country......well, go ahead - do it!! Those who were brave enough to make the decision have already gone - those of you who have stayed, and are whinging, have absolutely no intention of leaving - God help us all if your decision making skills in front of a TAAATS screen are like those about your life!!
And remember - the places you're thinking of going to all have selection processes that RWQUIRE them to assess your suitability for the job - not just in terms of being able to control traffic - but also to 'fit in' - if you think an ASIO check here in Oz is draconian - wait until you are subjected to a Middle East security check - or a Eurocontrol security check - your bitching on this website has already precluded you from a job anywhere outside Australia.
Take the 4% and be happy - and do the job you've been trained and paid to do!!!
Your "normal' roster, without overtime, sets you up for around 33 hours per week on average.
With early marks - and don't dare tell me that you don't go home early when relived at a changeover - you work an average of 29 hours per week. With one day per week overtime, you're back up to 35 hours per week.
Your average salaries are over $100k - WAY above the average salary for blue collar workers - and that, after all, is all you are - BLUE COLLAR WORKERS - no degree, a 'mickey mouse' diploma issued by your own training college - and your average working week is still WAY below what normal Australians have to work to make ends meet.
Don't tell me that you have special skills and have 'thousand of live in your hands every day" - that's b.s. and you know it.
If you weren't able to do the job as a 'routine function' day to day, the aptitude tests, the personality tests, and the other assessment processes would have weeded you out way before you even sat in front of a console [though the BOS review probably proves that some misfits fooled the system!].
SOOOO much talk about pulling the plug and leaving the country......well, go ahead - do it!! Those who were brave enough to make the decision have already gone - those of you who have stayed, and are whinging, have absolutely no intention of leaving - God help us all if your decision making skills in front of a TAAATS screen are like those about your life!!
And remember - the places you're thinking of going to all have selection processes that RWQUIRE them to assess your suitability for the job - not just in terms of being able to control traffic - but also to 'fit in' - if you think an ASIO check here in Oz is draconian - wait until you are subjected to a Middle East security check - or a Eurocontrol security check - your bitching on this website has already precluded you from a job anywhere outside Australia.
Take the 4% and be happy - and do the job you've been trained and paid to do!!!
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Ha Ha. That's a very funny post. Bit hard to give any credibility to someone who harps on about aptitude tests and then can't spell 'require'. Can't believe I'm actually replying to that crap.............
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well*cough*concerned
If you weren't able to do the job as a 'routine function' day to day, the aptitude tests, the personality tests, and the other assessment processes would have weeded you out way before you even sat in front of a console
ATC's are worth what the market says they are worth, (thankfully) not what you say they are worth. At the moment they are being paid under the international going rate. The concern isn't with "those...who have stayed..(and) have absolutely no intention of leaving", it's attracting recruits in the future. As they say; pay peanuts, get monkeys.
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I'll bite.
Why do I get the feeling that Wellconcerned was one of those weeded out by the system? Just a touch of .... I dunno.... envy, jealousy, regret..... Maybe I'm wrong though. He could just be a disgruntled former management type from Aircircuses.
ps What's an early mark?
ps What's an early mark?
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Me thinks WELLCONCERNED doth protest too much
It would appear from the vitriol being spewed forth by this ill-distinguished personage that here is the perfect example of
(drum roll) TAAA DE DAAAHHHH!!!!!
SOUR GRAPES
WC (rather an apt condensation of your nom de plume) if god gives you lemons - get another god
(drum roll) TAAA DE DAAAHHHH!!!!!
SOUR GRAPES
WC (rather an apt condensation of your nom de plume) if god gives you lemons - get another god
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What the Market will pay?
You say wages are set by what the market will pay. Unfortunately the folk who actually pay your wages have no say in the matter AT ALL. Should you win a salary increase hurray for you! BUT down the line it is back to us - THE AIRLINES who have to pay your wages. Right now AIRLINES ARE HURTING (watch them fall). Airservices is making no consideration in their charges to us for the fact that we are flying now with less bums on seats. They are still charging the same charges for us to use the air. If salaries go up air will cost even more to use.
CHIP IN FOR YOUR COUNTRY! We all would love an increase in pay and conditions but lets get realistic and realise now is not the right time. (nor the right time to desert).
CHIP IN FOR YOUR COUNTRY! We all would love an increase in pay and conditions but lets get realistic and realise now is not the right time. (nor the right time to desert).