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Finally nice to see some progress.
Hope you choked on the ballot result TFN!
As a consequence of the inept approach to this negotiation by ASA, I can't help but feel that irepairable damage has been caused and all for what?
The relationship between the workers and management has been poisoned. (I reserve the right to use the term "mangement" very loosely)
Controllers will still be relocating O/S, the EBA negotiation is but one issue.
TFN, you cant.
Hope you choked on the ballot result TFN!
As a consequence of the inept approach to this negotiation by ASA, I can't help but feel that irepairable damage has been caused and all for what?
The relationship between the workers and management has been poisoned. (I reserve the right to use the term "mangement" very loosely)
Controllers will still be relocating O/S, the EBA negotiation is but one issue.
TFN, you cant.
95+% states very clearly that Civil Air represents the vast vast number of controllers. Write that down Greg.
If the rumblings that an agreement may be closer than it was yesterday are true, it probably is the worst case scenario for Airserices as the service interruptions will continue becuase ther ARE NO STAFF. I would have thought that TFN and co would have liked to see this process drawn out for another year to get numbers up and blame TIBA on the renegade controllers NOT their piss poor management.
If the rumblings that an agreement may be closer than it was yesterday are true, it probably is the worst case scenario for Airserices as the service interruptions will continue becuase ther ARE NO STAFF. I would have thought that TFN and co would have liked to see this process drawn out for another year to get numbers up and blame TIBA on the renegade controllers NOT their piss poor management.
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Yes, folks, very strong story on the doggo last night that an agreement is very close (sorry, I may have been overtaken by events during my sleep this morning, any later news?).
All I can say to TFN is "BEWARE THE IDES OF MARCH!!"
I would say that Fat Tony is even now talking to the Brutus and Cassius on the Board and telling them to start sharpening the stiletos.
TFN is a dead duck politically.
All I can say to TFN is "BEWARE THE IDES OF MARCH!!"
I would say that Fat Tony is even now talking to the Brutus and Cassius on the Board and telling them to start sharpening the stiletos.
TFN is a dead duck politically.
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Prediction: CA certification by end of March. TFN falls/pushed by end of FY. New CEO announces new(!) restructure by DEC09. This includes removal of the ALM structure, with those who can regaining their ATC credentials. Series of Meet the Staff tours commence shortly after.
Oh, and staff shortages continue!!
Maybe they could look at the CEO of the Irish or Germans ANSPs to come out and do the job?!!
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The other rumour last night was that TFN turned on his negotiating team last week. " You didn`t tell me the negotiations were stalled" or words to that effect!
Are there enough parachutes to go round? This is looking a little like a complete stall with no chance of recovery. Women and children first if you please Greg.
Are there enough parachutes to go round? This is looking a little like a complete stall with no chance of recovery. Women and children first if you please Greg.
" You didn`t tell me the negotiations were stalled"
I know Canberra is isolated, but you would have to be part of sect or cult or something to not know...... oh, wait a minute.
Anyhow, Mr Russell put out his own memos to staff acknowledging some time ago how disappointed he was that the ATC CA was not progressing. I don't buy it.
Mr. TFN was gone from the moment the Minister requested the "come to Jesus" meeting.
If Boree's rumour is correct, that would be consistent with a narcissist now eating it's young.
If Boree's rumour is correct, that would be consistent with a narcissist now eating it's young.
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One of TFNs big problems is that he knows bugger all about providing an ATS service and never bothered to learn.
It is not okay to sit in your ivory tower and hope that you have blindly picked the right person (GSH) to implement a Brave New World.
There are too many elements of SDE that have been blindly hit and hope.
The required due diligence and proof of concept was not done. We never had the staff, technology, agreements with the military re-airspace, or work done on standardisation.
The visionary (GSH) hoped that someone would bring his ideas to fruition, and spent his time lulling an ATS-naive CEO into believing it was achievable now. TFN has only himself to blame. Learn the business. Then you will know yourself when you are being sold a pup.
TFN justifies his paypacket on the responsibilities he is required to manage, it should be on results. Time to fall on your sword.
It is not okay to sit in your ivory tower and hope that you have blindly picked the right person (GSH) to implement a Brave New World.
There are too many elements of SDE that have been blindly hit and hope.
The required due diligence and proof of concept was not done. We never had the staff, technology, agreements with the military re-airspace, or work done on standardisation.
The visionary (GSH) hoped that someone would bring his ideas to fruition, and spent his time lulling an ATS-naive CEO into believing it was achievable now. TFN has only himself to blame. Learn the business. Then you will know yourself when you are being sold a pup.
TFN justifies his paypacket on the responsibilities he is required to manage, it should be on results. Time to fall on your sword.
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Greg is probably thinking of big bonuses for the CA team for dragging it on so long and saving the company money. No back pay is allowed remember? So by not putting the agreement in place in time they were saving money every day.
What I would like to know is how much was spent on this joke of a CA process? A full time team of ****** 3rd level managers for over 9 months (say 400k in salary) plus all the travel, plus the numerous consultants to come in and provide strategic advise on how to screw over employees... it is not a far stretch to say that they would have spent a pretty penny.
Maybe next time we go into negotiations they could make their productivity improvement through immediately sacking the CA team, not hiring consultants and just listening to employees when they speak.
Does it really take a ballot for you to realised that you are f@#%ing up, TFN? Or perhaps you need a group of consultants to come in, develop a scope of analysis, perform some fundamental strucural reallignment back to the strategic vision of the company, and then give you a nice power point presentation to tell you that you aren't liked... it isn't true unless you have paid a consultant $10,000 to tell you after all...
What I would like to know is how much was spent on this joke of a CA process? A full time team of ****** 3rd level managers for over 9 months (say 400k in salary) plus all the travel, plus the numerous consultants to come in and provide strategic advise on how to screw over employees... it is not a far stretch to say that they would have spent a pretty penny.
Maybe next time we go into negotiations they could make their productivity improvement through immediately sacking the CA team, not hiring consultants and just listening to employees when they speak.
Does it really take a ballot for you to realised that you are f@#%ing up, TFN? Or perhaps you need a group of consultants to come in, develop a scope of analysis, perform some fundamental strucural reallignment back to the strategic vision of the company, and then give you a nice power point presentation to tell you that you aren't liked... it isn't true unless you have paid a consultant $10,000 to tell you after all...
No back pay is allowed remember?
Not negotiating in good faith probably doesn't qualify as an exceptional circumstance.
Let us not forget that ATC have a protected bargaining period in place and have ticked the box with the ballot result. That ballot was not the end of things. If AsA start playing silly buggers or offer sh!t, ATC can take entirely legal protected action as per the list of possibilities on the ballot paper. Like H2H says, patience. I for one am not expecting Today's offer to please me in the slightest. I will be somewhat surprised if it does.